Enda, Shatter & Representations

[DCon]

Shatter's second statement:

http://www.thejournal.ie/alan-shatte...53519-Oct2012/

hello?

Dinny. Phil here.

Yeah, the big one...

Listen, do me a favour will you?

[Dr. FIVE]

Will take either side coming out the looser tbh

rare treat

[PaddyJoe]

The Sindo published a PDF copy of the Shatter letter to Kenny that it obtained under FOI.
It refers to "Court registry documents"
Shatter this evening issued another version of the letter which refers to ‘Land Registry records’.
Up to Enda to confirm which version he received?
http://www.thejournal.ie/alan-shatte...urce=shortlink

[ang]

The Sindo published a PDF copy of the Shatter letter to Kenny that it obtained under FOI.
It refers to "Court registry documents"
Shatter this evening issued another version of the letter which refers to ‘Land Registry records’.
Up to Enda to confirm which version he received?
http://www.thejournal.ie/alan-shatte...urce=shortlink

I think we need the letters Enda sent to Alan tbh PJ.

Did An Taoiseach ask for intervention and a further letter asking for update that is the real issue and Shatter is bouncing ball back into Enda court.

One would almost think there is some sort of power play going on within FG

[Count Bobulescu]

The Sindo published a PDF copy of the Shatter letter to Kenny that it obtained under FOI.
It refers to "Court registry documents"
Shatter this evening issued another version of the letter which refers to ‘Land Registry records’.
Up to Enda to confirm which version he received?
http://www.thejournal.ie/alan-shatte...urce=shortlink

I can only speak with respect to US FOI, and here there is a legal distinction between a document which is limited to hard copy, and a record which can also be electronic.

[Baron von Biffo]

I think we need the letters Enda sent to Alan tbh PJ.

Did An Taoiseach ask for intervention and a further letter asking for update that is the real issue and Shatter is bouncing ball back into Enda court.

One would almost think there is some sort of power play going on within FG

A notable omission from the Sindo defence. They seem to be very keen to keep the focus on the 'Land' v 'Court' issue which doesn't go to the heart of the claims made in the article.

[PaddyJoe]

I can only speak with respect to US FOI, and here there is a legal distinction between a document which is limited to hard copy, and a record which can also be electronic.

Sorry, my bad. In fact the Sindo pdf refers to 'Court Registry records' and Shatter's second statement refers to "Land Registry records'.
So the same term in both cases.
Phew, clear as mud

[ang]

A notable omission from the Sindo defence. They seem to be very keen to keep the focus on the 'Land' v 'Court' issue which doesn't go to the heart of the claims made in the article.

Alan Shatter continuing with the "no meddling" stance.

Enda remains silent today,

[barrym]

It does look like Shatter played it straight. Kenny was up to the old 'intervening' on behalf of a constituent lark.
Curious how the Indo went to the trouble of getting an FOI though. There's something else here, isn't there?

Fed to the Indo by....?

The candidates - scorned husband/wife; local gossip merchant; solicitor's office; disgruntled neighbouring landowner. Take yer pick.

[DCon]

Fed to the Indo by....?

The candidates - scorned husband/wife; local gossip merchant; solicitor's office; disgruntled neighbouring landowner. Take yer pick.

Disgruntled former Junior Minister could also be a candidate.

Shatter could have shared this with other TD's in a "you'll never guess what Enda did today" kind of way.

Gossip being gossip, if he did, all Minister's would eventually know

[Baron von Biffo]

Alan Shatter continuing with the "no meddling" stance.

Enda remains silent today,

The charge of meddling in a court case is extremely serious. Shatter's emphasis on the point may be mindful of its use in future proceedings.

[Seán Ryan]

This is all very amusing. Court registry or land registry? Was the word "court" a typo in the Sindo's letter. Well, it was dated for May. Shatter's new letter is dated for June. It took Shatter's people (or himself) a while to spot the error...

Was the first letter sent? It was drafted in May. When was the alleged error spotted? If the first letter was never sent, how was it recovered by the Sindo?

Confusing stuff.

I'm unsure of what Enda is suspected of requesting from Alan, if we're talking about land registry. I fail to see what could be the issue, unless it's alleged that Enda wanted Alan to swap, change or destroy material.

Whatever the story, things cannot progress without producing Enda's input.

[ang]

The charge of meddling in a court case is extremely serious. Shatter's emphasis on the point may be mindful of its use in future proceedings.

Yes Shatter could well be forming a case in his head.

The reporter seems to have gone with "intervene" whilst headline screams "meddle"- I think Alan has covered himself with his response.

I don't think we can get to the central issue unless we see both letters Enda sent to Shatter.

Family law differs from criminal and one could find themselves in contempt fairly sharpish albeit unwittingly

[fluffybiscuits]

Inda hoping the whole thing dies down and goes away. At least Shatter had the sense to tell him to get stuffed albeit in a fairly polite way using diplomatic language...

[barrym]

Inda hoping the whole thing dies down and goes away. At least Shatter had the sense to tell him to get stuffed albeit in a fairly polite way using diplomatic language...

Inda doesn't care, the FG/Lab policy is, don't react. Shatter gone to ground too, after shafting Inda, slaaped down.
Anyway the reaction would be - we all fix things for constituents, just reacting by sending on your letter is enough.... move on nothing to see here.