New engagement service for long term unemployed compromised by JOAN BURTON

[Troubleshooter]

I asked to attend a seminar by our Minister for Social Protection in Slogo last week.
Then briefing was for employers and JOAN AND THE DSP where tellong us what services the had to help us hire a unemployed person.
It was a selling job for jobbridge and during all the presentations not one bad word was stated against this programme .
One of the presentations was given by a outfit called worklink ,they offer a service to an employer to help them with all the paperwork you have to go through before you can hire an intern ,this paperwork was of course created by DSP.
worklink where described as a volunteer employment support network ( what ever that means ) I noted that they where sponsored by CPL iRELANDS largest recruitment agency
When I got back to base I noticed an email on my system advising me that the DSP where going to tender for the provision of an outsourced employment service model.
This service and the outsourcing of same was forced on this Govenmnet by the IMF.the plan is that the private recruitment agencies will interview 1000s of long term unemployed on a fee basis and attempt to find them work failure to engage in thiese interviews will mean that they will be removed from the live register .
The first phase tender has a value of 150,000 euros but the outsourcing is worth millions .
My mind then drifted back to a thread on our site where Joan was warned that she had a problem with this outsouring when she spoke at a G$S sponsored seminar ( G$S carry out this work in the UK ) Joan appeared to endorse their model.
We now have a further conflict in this tender in that the Minister and the DSP are using an agency sponsored by the Largest recruitment agency in Ireland to go around the country as cheerleaders for a shameful Government programme in the middle of a tender process which is out sourcing a service that most recruitment agencies will be pitching for .
I fail to see how this Minister or indeed her Dept can have any role in this tender process ,their unprofessional actions have compromised it beyond repair

[Kitty O'Shea]

thanks for that, a couple of things;
CPL discount applicants who are unemployed for more than one year, they are very open about this, as far as they are concerned no-one is going to stop them.
The UK has "privatised" unemployment, has done so for years and is a complete waste of money. For a start their unemployment now stands at 2.5 million.
How more insulting and degrading to an unemployed person can you get! Bring it on I say.. eejits, they don't have a clue.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Not only that but the agency to which UK unemployment was privatised is currently under investigation for falsifying placement and throughput stats I believe.

Allegations of cronyism there too I believe. What happens in the UK generally happens in Ireland after a suitable delay to allow the local cronies to work out the angles for each other. Council tax, the wheelie-bin caper, deliberate race to the bottom in order to drive what remains of the health system into the arms of overcharging private contractors delivering superbugs etc etc...

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

The UK company was called 'A4E' and was run by a political crony as you can imagine. Here's where it got to;

'Harrison's A4e volunteered details of two investigations as it tried to counter claims that it was involved in "systemic" abuse of taxpayer-funded contracts. The government has said the bulk of the inquiries covered problems with the previous government's back-to-work programmes.

The Department for Work and Pensions revealed it had launched nine fraud investigations into the firm in recent years.

The prime minister appointed Harrison in 2010 to help get 120,000 "problem families" into work.

A4e earned £180m from state contracts last year, when Harrison paid herself a dividend of £8.6m, despite the firm's failure to meet government targets on finding jobs for the unemployed.' http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...son-steps-down

It was a debacle, in short, and it wouldn't surprise me if Burton wasn't well aware of the scope for dodgy extraction of taxpayers money in a similar caper in Ireland. The police had to arrest two senior managers at 'A4E' I believe.

[Kitty O'Shea]

Are the DSP really that bad at resource management, project management and numbers. I thought Ms Burton was an accountant by training.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

It is a bit like Harney and the HSE. Joan's department would be able to pull the stunt of saying 'that would be a matter for the private company who managed back to work Plus/JobThingy/Con.

It isn't being considered to deliver efficiency- there is no evidence that any efficiencies are on offer with the proposal- you can see what happened in the UK. But Joan needs a 'HSE' in the area of unemployment so she can do a Pontius Pilate job on responsibility in this area and if she's lucky get some political gain herself out of the deal.

I wouldn't suggest that there would be any other sort of gain on offer from a tender process for such an agency. That would be inappropriate.

I'd say she is well aware of the chaos in the UK. But is heading down the Harney route to distance herself from a long term issue. Effectively she makes herself a regulator, a sort of Pat Neary for unemployment instead of the actual Minister responsible for the issue of unemployment. Bet she's not envisaging giving up the salary and expenses though that come with the cabinet post.

[MPB]

I asked to attend a seminar by our Minister for Social Protection in Slogo last week.
Then briefing was for employers and JOAN AND THE DSP where tellong us what services the had to help us hire a unemployed person.
It was a selling job for jobbridge and during all the presentations not one bad word was stated against this programme .
One of the presentations was given by a outfit called worklink ,they offer a service to an employer to help them with all the paperwork you have to go through before you can hire an intern ,this paperwork was of course created by DSP.
worklink where described as a volunteer employment support network ( what ever that means ) I noted that they where sponsored by CPL iRELANDS largest recruitment agency
When I got back to base I noticed an email on my system advising me that the DSP where going to tender for the provision of an outsourced employment service model.
This service and the outsourcing of same was forced on this Govenmnet by the IMF.the plan is that the private recruitment agencies will interview 1000s of long term unemployed on a fee basis and attempt to find them work failure to engage in thiese interviews will mean that they will be removed from the live register .
The first phase tender has a value of 150,000 euros but the outsourcing is worth millions .
My mind then drifted back to a thread on our site where Joan was warned that she had a problem with this outsouring when she spoke at a G$S sponsored seminar ( G$S carry out this work in the UK ) Joan appeared to endorse their model.
We now have a further conflict in this tender in that the Minister and the DSP are using an agency sponsored by the Largest recruitment agency in Ireland to go around the country as cheerleaders for a shameful Government programme in the middle of a tender process which is out sourcing a service that most recruitment agencies will be pitching for .
I fail to see how this Minister or indeed her Dept can have any role in this tender process ,their unprofessional actions have compromised it beyond repair

Substitute the word bailout for theft and you begin to get the real understanding of how the IMF/ECB ( Goldman Sachs ) works.

I say, let them pretend to have them and then take them back when we eventually elect a real Govt.

[Kid Ryder]

Are the DSP really that bad at resource management, project management and numbers. I thought Ms Burton was an accountant by training.

You're mistaking a licensed professional ability to count with possession of a conscience. Moan sees the unemployed as only a means to the furtherance of her political career. Any 'concern' she has expressed in the past about either the treatment of people on the dole or the 'unemployment lifestyle' is just eyewash deployed to that same end. She's a (sometimes pious) fraud just like the rest of her cabinet colleagues.

[fluffybiscuits]

You're mistaking a licensed professional ability to count with possession of a conscience. Moan sees the unemployed as only a means to the furtherance of her political career. Any 'concern' she has expressed in the past about either the treatment of people on the dole or the 'unemployment lifestyle' is just eyewash deployed to that same end. She's a (sometimes pious) fraud just like the rest of her cabinet colleagues.

That bit highlighted is very accurate. James Connolly would be spinning in his grave if he knew how Moan has sold herself out and Labour themselves have sold their soul for a bit of power. Power corrupts the mind of even the most well intentioned person.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Larkin and Connolly would not share the same oxygen as people who today are regarded as senior labour party members.

[Troubleshooter]

The point is that Joan is inviting potential bidders along to a promo road shows
To the exclusion of other bidders a clear conflict

[Apjp]

That bit highlighted is very accurate. James Connolly would be spinning in his grave if he knew how Moan has sold herself out and Labour themselves have sold their soul for a bit of power. Power corrupts the mind of even the most well intentioned person.

Connolly would also be spinning in his grave at the SWP's idea of a monstrous union that diluted Irish sovereignty to nothing considering the fact he was a socialist republican.

[Apjp]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...r&notif_t=like

Here is a link to a group on FB that say unemployed people(in America they are called 'welfare recipients) should be tested for drugs just because most workers in America have to do so. Do not be surprised if this is introduced here. The same sheeple, about 190'000 of them, who have all liked this post seem to be referring to such people in their comments as 'freeloaders' and just because the rest of them need a drug test to work in Wall Mart, so should the unemployed. Keeping each other in line. I am slave, so he should be too. Never mind the 4th amendment.

[Kitty O'Shea]

The point is that Joan is inviting potential bidders along to a promo road shows
To the exclusion of other bidders a clear conflict

http://www.cipd.co.uk/global/europe/...show-2012.aspx
was this the seminar? There is another link somewhere for Inteo, that was launched at the same seminar.
It would appear from the link that anyone with an interest should have attended, that would include other recruitment agencies as they would need to know this stuff too.

[fluffybiscuits]

Connolly would also be spinning in his grave at the SWP's idea of a monstrous union that diluted Irish sovereignty to nothing considering the fact he was a socialist republican.

Are you going to drag this over numerous threads! PM Me if its an issue and we can discuss it Im quite open!