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    I wonder about a certain type who seek to mitigate church scandals by pointing to child-protection issues at the HSE or emerging scandals in the UK. The thinking goes that one institutional cover-up somehow excuses another and this imo, is some of the most unedifying bullshit you are likely to come across. Despicable filth.

    It is very easy - and even welcome - to jump up and down about the BBC or Health Service but people could find themselves out of that comfort zone very quickly as matters edge closer to Thatcher's door. Many have a soft spot for Maggie and her high-handed moralism. It will be tough to spread the blame while also making excuses but a way will be found, no doubt.

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    I'm personally really looking forward to seeing how close this gets to Attila the Hen. If convincing, hopefully this will be the final nail in her reputational coffin. Sadly, it won't stop her economic policies from being followed still. If she's posthumously crucified, South Wales and Yorkshire in particular will be out to party. The miners hadn't forgotten. And all abuse should be rooted out and apologised for. The church has reluctantly started down that road, albeit reluctantly and too slowly. The UK establishment has a long way further to go.

    And I am not going to apologise for a large amount of schadenfreude apropos of Tory scandals. As a joint citizen, half of whose family lives in Blighty, and who used to live in an ex mining area, I am too well aware of the economic warfare the Tories perpetually wage on the lower social orders, while carrying out the most incredible sins behind closed doors. The Establishment schools, the privileged access to Oxbridge, the gilded path to Whitehall, the marriages of convenience while covering up the real sexual proclivities, the casual sexism....it's worse than the Church because these guys have real secular power, and they've used it for nefarious purposes. Think of how many weapons of mass destruction they've flogged to dodgy third world regimes...which must of course continue, because "many of the factories are in marginal constituencies".

    Back to Basics, in the 80s, google it. Major and Co. waging war on single mothers and urging a return to traditional moral values. The gutter press in this instance behaved impeccably and outed half the Cabinet. They missed Major's own affair with Currie, and, it seems now, perhaps the paedos.

    The crux of the matter is possibly the traditional moral values, it's much easier to hush up sex crimes when it's unacceptable to talk about it and there is undue respect for authority, whether that be religious or secular.

    Keep on outing them all....


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    There looks to be now a recognition that there was and could still be a paedophile problem in English underage soccer.

    Pat Nevin mentions that like the Church and other areas where there is access to kids, there is a risk of infiltration by these predators.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04hl0mw

    Former Manchester City and England player David White has become the fourth footballer to speak publicly about being sexually abused as a child by a coach.

    White follows ex-Crewe players Andy Woodward and Steve Walters, and former Tottenham forward Paul Stewart.

    The 49-year-old claims former Crewe coach Barry Bennell, a convicted paedophile, abused him.

    Cheshire Police said 11 people had come forward since Woodward went public.

    The Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) expects that number to rise.
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38084213

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    Well , it is a crime and like any other it requires Means , Motive and Opportunity. I attended CBS Eblana , Dun Laoghaire in the early 60s. The Bros - and lay teachers - used to beat the hell out of us , although a couple were ok and the head himself seemed alright. There was no sexual abuse , however as we all went home at night.Likewise in England , you probably stood more chance of being assaulted in a posh boarding school than a normal secondary in a poor area.

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    This is mounting....looks like the tip of the ice berg.

    Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) chief executive Gordon Taylor says more than 20 former footballers have come forward regarding allegations of sexual abuse.

    Taylor said at least "six or seven clubs" including Crewe, Manchester City and Newcastle were connected with "particular individuals".

    "I am expecting there will be more," he told BBC Radio 5 live's Sportsweek, adding he did not believe it would just be confined to north east and north west clubs.

    "I am mindful it could be throughout the country where children are there; church, schools and other areas we are well acquainted with over the past few years."

    However, Taylor, 71, said none of those who had come forward were currently playing in the top four leagues in England.

    He said the alleged abuse occurred to footballers aged six to 16, when players were "vulnerable young people".

    "It is the situation they are put in, the fear of telling anyone, the power of the paedophile over him and what he wanted to do for himself and his parents to achieve his dream of being a professional footballer," added Taylor.
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38121724

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    Well , it is a crime and like any other it requires Means , Motive and Opportunity. I attended CBS Eblana , Dun Laoghaire in the early 60s. The Bros - and lay teachers - used to beat the hell out of us , although a couple were ok and the head himself seemed alright. There was no sexual abuse , however as we all went home at night.Likewise in England , you probably stood more chance of being assaulted in a posh boarding school than a normal secondary in a poor area.
    Very likely. Opportunity is the problem, and unchallenged power.

    The current circumstances of putting children in hostels and hotels is not great, from that point of view.
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