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    Do we take it that softening on Cuba a week after hardening on Venezuela are not unconnected?

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    I think the alleged oil reserves are quite the pill factor

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    A 2004 partnership between Spanish oil company Repsol-YPF and Cuba's state oil company Cupet estimated Cuba's off-shore reserves to be able to ultimately produce between 4.6 and 9.3 billion barrels of crude oil.

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    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Cuba
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    This is no bad thing.

    The Cuban government can maintain some essential aspects of socialism(control of Education, resources, healthcare, State industry) while diplomatic and economic relations with its' nearest neighbour are now sure to thaw completely over the next few years because the travel ban was one of the main pillars of the overall embargo.

    Setting up an embassy is also a signal of intent that the full embargo will go sooner rather than later.

    Yes Obama's govt. have their own motivations for this, not least of which is some desire to have been seen to have achieved something in 8 years in power, but that this benefits both Cuban communities at home and in Florida is a no brainer and will also mean more Tourism for Cuba.

    A good first step in what should have been done under Carter, who was all talk.

    Regards Venezuela, well there will always be animosity between the more radical socialist governments in the Continent and the rightwing orthodoxy in Washington. I don't see anything untoward or remarkable about recent actions there and every sign is, under Obama, they just have a policy of not doing anything stupid in their own back yard(like killing any foreign head of govt. or State).

    What will happen though when the Republicans or else Hitlery, and the more extreme US Establishment hacks are in power again in 2016 is another matter.

    Obama has shown himself to be another warmongerer in the Middle East(on a much much smaller scale but he has still killed thousands by drone and bombings in several countries) but this move costs nothing and if it gets him plaudits after he leaves office, well who cares really, long as Cuba benefits.

    I don't think there's any realistic prospect of Cuba's socialist party crumbling. The US is happy to deal with Market socialist Vietnam where they had a much more ideological and bloody conflict than with Cuba, so why would they force wholesale regime change or even ideological change on Cuba as long as they could buy and sell stuff off of them, and feel like they have 'influence', so to speak?

    You'd expect paranoia on all sides about this, but it should be welcomed by everyone internationally.

    I think the days though of dealing with the US meaning you have to pander to them completely, thanks to China, Russia and others are coming to an end. America actually offered the Irish government to fly through Britain or Northern Ireland with its' military aircraft to avoid diplomatic incidents in the mid 2000's so they know this too. If America was the ideologically hardline country it once was, internationally speaking, it would not be doing Business with many a country besides Cuba.

    The issue though is what a complete ideological nutter like Clinton, Romney or someone, backed up by people like the Koch Brothers who buy Federal elections now, would do in the Middle East. These things are yesterday's news, and these small steps are long long overdue.
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    Obama is not to be trusted apjp. He is US establishment to the core.

    I've been thinking about "why this move now" and it seems to me that it is a pre-emptive choking off of a role model for an independent (of US) state, at a time when there is serious chance of some left governments being elected in Europe and there is also the struggling proto-statelet of Donbass.

    Cuba was somewhere to reach out to and make links with, but is now being pulled into the US wake.

    International linkage is essential if left governments are to survive and strengthen.
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    Restoring trade links and starting talks doesn't necessarily translate into a complete cessation of Cuban communism, surely?

    It may not be fair to assume they'll be immediately sucked into the US slipstream in their entirety?

    I'm not sure any US administration is to be trusted by anyone other than more right wing Americans and their corporations, but I do think Obama is probably a big improvement on a Republican incumbent, nonetheless.
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    History being made this morning with the first meeting between a US President and a Cuban leader since Eisenhower and Batista in 1956. It's happening at the Summit of the Americas in Panama but doesn't seem to be getting a huge amount of coverage in the US media. Conversely Spanish media is covering nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    History being made this morning with the first meeting between a US President and a Cuban leader since Eisenhower and Batista in 1956. It's happening at the Summit of the Americas in Panama but doesn't seem to be getting a huge amount of coverage in the US media. Conversely Spanish media is covering nothing else.
    true

    i didn't read a word on this today

    it may be big in Miami but other than that people should know most americans dont really care much about Cuba, or, for them Cuba is like a curiosity you talk about sometimes but not an issue that is dear to them, this is also the reason Obama goes about his business of doing what is right cos it really has next to zero repercussions in our internal politics... (contrary to what most people here might think)

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    cos i was busy .. so now i dug a little deeper and i see it's all over the main papers

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    Secretary of State John Kerry talked with Cuban foreign minister Bruno Rodriguez in Panama City on Thursday, in what was the highest-level meeting between the two countries in over 50 years.



    Kerry and Rodriguez reportedly spoke for at least two hours at a restaurant in a hotel on ways to continue moving forward, following President Barack Obama’s Dec. 17 announcement to begin restoring ties with Cuba. Their meeting came on the eve of the Summit of the Americas, where Obama is expected to cross paths with Cuban President Raul Castro and perhaps shake hands.



    Ahead of the summit, policymakers have shown a number of signals that Washington is ready to engage with Havana. On Thursday, the State Department reportedly recommended removing Cuba from the list of countries that sponsor terrorism -- a move Obama is likely to back. Taking Cuba off the list would loosen financial sanctions against it and open it up to U.S. investment. To seal the deal, Cuba would likely have to promise not to support terrorism in the future; Cuba, in turn, has made the same demand of the United States.


    Before heading to Panama City for the summit, Obama met with leaders of Caribbean nations in Jamaica to announce some $20 million in funding for green energy investments in the region.

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    Focus as much on Venezuela as Cuba:

    Mr Obama told a forum of civil society leaders in Panama City that "the days in which our agenda in this hemisphere presumed that the United States could meddle with impunity, those days are past". . . .

    As part of the sanctions, Mr Obama issued an executive order declaring Venezuela a threat to the national security of the United States.
    President Maduro has collected more than 10 million signatures demanding its repeal.
    Their meeting at the summit, while less historic than the one between Mr Castro and Mr Obama, is drawing as much attention for its unpredictability.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-32261550

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    A little historical context for this weekend's Summit of the Americas:

    It's ironic that a bone of contention in this meeting in Panama this week is the very tattered relation between socialist Cuba and the United States of America. As you know, until mid-December 2014 there was some question as to whether or not U.S. President Barack Obama would even attend because of the presence there of President Raúl Castro of Cuba.
    It's ironic indeed that that is the case, because you may recall that approximately 180 years ago, that is to say in the 1820s, that the United States refused to attend a similar summit in Panama because of the presence of abolitionist Haiti. That is to say, as Latin American nations were surging to independence from Spanish colonial rule, Argentina, for example, Mexico, for example. There was the idea of organizing a summit of the Americas then, but the United States objected to the presence of a state, that is to say Haiti, that basically ruled that slavery was illegal. . . .

    Well as you may know, the Haitian revolution basically came into power circa 1804, and from that point forward Haiti saw itself as the vector of abolitionist movements in the hemisphere. You may recall that Simón Bolivar, who was considered to be a national hero today in Venezuela, received assistance from the Haitian revolutionaries and his successful effort to overturn Spanish colonial rule.
    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=13603

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    So it went in the USSR, with Reagan.

    Castro needs to sup with a long spoon.
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    It is different now in the US. I could be wrong, but the offspring of people who were forced out of Cuba - abt my age now - dont care much about it. They have never been there cos the embargo and what they have been able to see over time is that their parents' hatred of Castro hurts Cubans first and foremost.

    Now you need to take this from someone that is constantly accused of being 'trusting'... may be the friends i choose are similar to me in some way, but this is what i hear re Cuba.

    So Obama is given free range to move on this issue at the moment. Nail the deal and move on with more pressing issues.

    in my email today I have this:

    Raul Castro says Cuba blockade not Obama's fault

    Cuban President Raul Castro delivered a stunning defense of President Barack Obama on Saturday, absolving him of responsibility for the U.S. blockade against Cuba hours before the two were expected to hold the first major meeting between a U.S. and Cuban president in more than half a century.

    "In my opinion, President Obama is an honest man," Castro said - a remarkable vote of confidence from the Cuban leader, who praised Obama's life and his "humble background."

    (oh dont you just hate that!!)

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    Fidel is 89 today
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    The United Irishman. Updated 5/2/14

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