The Quinn defense -some valid questions

[PaddyJoe]

Here's the leaflet that was distributed at the Quinn rally in Ballyconnell today.
There's some good points made there that could do with more scrutiny.

[Sam Lord]

Here's the leaflet that was distributed at the Quinn rally in Ballyconnell today.
There's some good points made there that could do with more scrutiny.

I can't read it PaddyJoe. Any chance of getting it up in some other form?

[Dr. FIVE]

Here

http://wearecic.com/anglo-irish-bank.pdf

[Dr. FIVE]

Plausible that there is a hope in some quarters that Quinn will take the fall and mask the mountain of failure that taints everyone connected to Anglo. From Govt and Civil Service to Central bank to E&Y and even parts of the press there are a lot of insiders who it would suit for the focus to be elsewhere. Lot of complicity for the banking collapse still about and most involved have no shortage of power and resources

There are plenty of valid questions going unanswered but the Ballyconnell brigade are getting us no closer to the truth by playing down Quinn's considerable responsibility in all of it.
Someone of Quinn's wealth just doesn't get shafted or feel the force of the law he currently is without there being a massive degree of **** up on his part

The moneybags section Phoenix a few weeks back paints a bleak picture of all sides walking away largely unscathed and us picking up the tab

[riposte]

Plausible that there is a hope in some quarters that Quinn will take the fall and mask the mountain of failure that taints everyone connected to Anglo. From Govt and Civil Service to Central bank to E&Y and even parts of the press there are a lot of insiders who it would suit for the focus to be elsewhere. Lot of complicity for the banking collapse still about and most involved have no shortage of power and resources

Yeah.... and that complicity continues ... in the courts.

[Baron von Biffo]

One question that comes to mind is, will Paul Gallagher have anything to say about the content of that pamphlet?

[DCon]

Later still, the new board of Anglo tried to get the Quinn family to sign documents stating they had received
legal advice prior to signing the original loan documentation, up to two years earlier. Does this not prove
Anglo’s new board knew the loans were illegal?

Not in the eyes of the law, I'd wager

[PaddyJoe]

Here

http://wearecic.com/anglo-irish-bank.pdf

I see that version differs from the leaflet. Statements versus questions. I'm guessing that there's legal issues there.

[PaddyJoe]

One question that comes to mind is, will Paul Gallagher have anything to say about the content of that pamphlet?

There's a very serious allegation there. I'd like to see the actual leaflet that was handed out today.

[MPB]

Simple fact here. The Quinns were running a company that was insolvent after it made poor investments in Anglo. The Quinns tried to defraud the Irish people of money after their company was found to be insolvent.

Anglo Irish Bank used the Quinns to facilitate a criminal action and now they plead the holier than thou argument.

Both should be liquidated and to hell with the losses.

I really cannot see how it would affect the ordinary Irish citizen or business.

I have yet to see a genuine argument as to why saving banks was to the benefit of ordinary people/99% of us

[Slim Buddha]

Simple fact here. The Quinns were running a company that was insolvent after it made poor investments in Anglo. The Quinns tried to defraud the Irish people of money after their company was found to be insolvent.

Anglo Irish Bank used the Quinns to facilitate a criminal action and now they plead the holier than thou argument.

Both should be liquidated and to hell with the losses.

I really cannot see how it would affect the ordinary Irish citizen or business.

I have yet to see a genuine argument as to why saving banks was to the benefit of ordinary people/99% of us

+1. If company law applied to banks when they were profitable, why is it not applied when they become insolvent? Anglo, BOI and AIB should all have been subject to insolvency proceedings as soon as they became insolvent. Had company law been properly followed, the country would have benefitted enormously.

However, non-enforcement of the law is something of a tradition in Ireland.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

The law, like taxes in New York, is only for the little people. Maybe Anglo, BOI, AIB and INBS all come from 'good Garda families'.

[PaddyJoe]

Fintan O'Toole seems to have been singled out at the rally as an example of media bias against the Quinns:

WITH SO many big lies abounding, the small ones perhaps hardly matter. But since one of the lies at the Quinn family rally in Ballyconnell on Sunday evening concerns this column, it cannot go unchecked.

Peter Quinn set the tone by calling journalists “bastards”.

Just one particular bastard was mentioned in the speeches, however – myself. Patricia Gilheaney, who speaks for the pro-Quinn campaign, told those at the rally that I had called them horrible names: “The people who attend these rallies have been called morons, culchies, idiots by the likes of Fintan O’Toole and co.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...325297655.html

[Kev Bar]

Oh to be singled out!

Hunted by culchies.

Cornered by crooks.

[Baron von Biffo]

Oh to be singled out!

Hunted by culchies.

Cornered by crooks.

Hung by the Baloobas.