Were the Russian "Left Opposition" Terrorists and Counterrevolutionaries?

[Sam Lord]

Do you have anything specific in mind ?

He clearly lied to the "Dewey Commission".

Bukharin was, of course anti-Trotskyist.

In earlier days. But they came together in an anti-soviet Bloc. He admitted this.

"I plead guilty to being one of the leaders of this 'Bloc of Rightists and Trotskyites.' I plead guilty to the sum total of crimes committed by this counter-revolutionary organization, whether or not I knew of, whether or not I took part in, any particular act..."

H.D.'s own Priest to Social Democrat career is an interesting one.

No particularly. But it would suit you to float some sort of vague innuendo.

Here is a link to the article from which you quoted.

http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.or...1/bukharin.htm

I thought I had quoted from Humbert-Droz's book and not an article.

In the meantime, another memoir, and a case of someone executed for having completed a census of population that came up with the wrong figure.

In the meantime ....

Having thrown in some innuendo lets now muddy the waters with another memoir.

Debating with you can be quite a challenge.

Trotsky himself acknowledged that there were oppositionists who favoured individual terror, and he opposed it. It is ridiculous to say that his written works as an exile were irrelevant, or "lies" as they were the principle means by which he might influence events in Russia.

You really think Trotsky's writings were being distributed in the Soviet Union? That's interesting. How was this being done in the 1930's?

[Sam Lord]

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I will get back to this when I have more time.

I'm glad the thread has been revived as it allows me to point out that some weeks have passed and Jolly is still avoiding standing over his assertion that 50million people were killed in the Soviet Union.

[Sam Lord]

I will get back to this when I have more time.

Calling JRG ....

[bolshevik]

I'm glad the thread has been revived as it allows me to point out that some weeks have passed and Jolly is still avoiding standing over his assertion that 50million people were killed in the Soviet Union.

Hard to tell exactly what this figure was given the Stalnists control of the stats etc. but it was clearly significant. What is your alternative figure for how many people you think the counter-revolutionary Stalinist bureaucracy were directly responsible for killing?

[C. Flower]

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He clearly lied to the "Dewey Commission".

You may think it clear, but you have not given any idea why anyone else should think so. Would you like to demonstrate that that is the case?
Or is this just a "Stalin could never have put a foot wrong" assumption?

In earlier days. But they came together in an anti-soviet Bloc. He admitted this.

"I plead guilty to being one of the leaders of this 'Bloc of Rightists and Trotskyites.' I plead guilty to the sum total of crimes committed by this counter-revolutionary organization..." whether or not I knew of, whether or not I took part in, any particular act...

After a year in jail ? or before it ? The term is clearly not his own, and a confession to things he does not admit to knowing about does not carry a lot of weight with me. Absurd, in fact.

No particularly. But it would suit you to float some sort of vague innuendo.

You seem to think that the political destination of individuals is worth remarking on, in assessing their writings. Unless it doesn't suit.

I thought I had quoted from Humbert-Droz's book and not an article.

Did you ?

You really think Trotsky's writings were being distributed in the Soviet Union? That's interesting. How was this being done in the 1930's?

This is in relation to whether or not it is relevant that Trotsky wrote condemning acts of terror in the Soviet Union. Of course it is relevant and makes a nonsense of the various libels that were made against him on this count.

On the one hand, you say that his writings could not get into the SU and on the other, that he was part of a dangerous anti-Soviet terror organisation carrying out attacks within its territory. Again, absurd.

He was considered influential enough to be worth assassinating.

And of course, his assassination was an individual act of terror against anyone in the communist movement who opposed the Soviet bureaucracy.

[Sam Lord]

Hard to tell exactly what this figure was given the Stalnists control of the stats etc. but it was clearly significant. What is your alternative figure for how many people you think the counter-revolutionary Stalinist bureaucracy were directly responsible for killing?

Funny.