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    New blog post and video by WhistleblowerIrl, aka Jonathan Sugarman

    Comments welcome on the blog


    http://itsapoliticalworld.wordpress.com/


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EBWf9YoG3E&feature=relmfu"]Jonathan Sugarman Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση «κοινό σπίτι» των... - YouTube[/ame]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=H4dv3DRRS3A


    Irish whistle-blowing former banker Jonathan Sugarman speaking recently in Athens. Τhe function was organized by ATTAC-Hellas in collaboration with the Greek Committee for a Public Debt Audit. Sugarman spoke on the Libor scandal, the lack of transparency in banking practices, the problematic character of state supervision of the banking system (relevant to his own case for the indictment he issued was ignored/suppressed by the Irish regulatory authority), and the extent to which the recent Draghi measures represent a solution.
    We all have to pay interest on our loans, and we all hope to get interest on our deposits. When we the banks have money lying around idly it means they're losing money, as it could be gaining interest as a deposit with another bank that needs the money. Part of my job as a banker was to 'count the money' towards the end of a trading day and make sure that any un-needed surplus – say 500 million euros – would be to deposited by the dealers. They would typically place this money on overnight deposits with other banks. The benchmark for interest payment on this deposit would be the LIBOR (or Euribor). The LIBOR was allegedly an un-biased 'weather report' of what conditions were in the market that day. Now we have learned that some of the biggest banks in the world have been heavily involved in distorting this 'neutral' reading of the market.


    We all have to pay interest on our loans, and we all hope to get interest on our deposits. When we the banks have money "at rest" it means we're losing money. My job as a banker at the end of the trading day would be to deposit whatever there is - say 500 million euros - overnight. You call a couple of banks - and they give you different rates: it doesn't work. We need a standard and that is what the Libor rate is supposed to be.
    Every morning by 11.30 a.m. in London a panel of international banks including UBS, Societt Generale, Deutsche Bank, Barclays, the Royal Bank of Scotland is asked "OK how much interest are you willing to pay on overnight deposits, one week deposits, one month deposits and so on. " This is the price of money today in London at lunchtime. I cannot overestimate the significance of this interest rate – every interest payment that each one of us makes on the mortgage that you pay, ever car loan - is determined by this rate.

    LIBOR ( the London Inter Bank Offered Rate) has been in the headlines far less that it should be. The Libor fixing scandal is by far the biggest and most far reaching scandal to have occurred in the world of finance. Why is it not getting the attention it deserves in the name of public interest?!? simply because the companies involved in fixing this price are the most respectable and distinguished of the banking world - HSBC & Barclays of the UK, Deutsche Bank of Germany, UBS of Switzerland.
    LIBOR rates form the basis for the determination of amounts to be received and paid on contracts amounting to hundreds of trillions of dollars. Just to put this figure into perspective - Ireland's bailout was 'only' 85 billion Euro. So while Christine Lagarde of the IMF keeps reminding the Greeks that they should pay their taxes, she is remaining very silent about the fact the bankers whom she wines & dines with at Davos are being accused of breaking the law at a much larger scale.
    Barclays has 'agreed' to pay a fine of 290 million pounds for its role in fixing the LIBOR. RBS, now 82% owned by the British public has also been negotiating how much is feels like paying the British public for being caught red handed. We now have a state-owned body negotiating with with a state authority about how much it feels like paying for breaking the law. Try negotiating your legally-declared tax bill with the Revenue office and see how far you get...
    Some choice quotes from the press on the Libor rate-fixing scandal….
    Libor Manipulation Well Known in London by 1991 - Naked capitalism

    A comment in today’s Financial Times is by a former Morgan Stanley trader, Douglas Keenan, confirms a passing comment in the Economist, that Libor manipulation goes back for more than 15 years. In fact, this piece makes it clear that is the time frame exceeds 20 years. From the Financial Times:
    In 1991, I had live trading screens that showed the Libor rates. In September of that year, on the third Wednesday, at 11 o’clock, I watched those screens to see where the futures contract [on three month Libor] should settle. Shortly afterwards, Liffe announced the contract settlement rate. Its rate was different from what had been shown on my screens, by a few hundredths of a per cent.
    As a result, I lost money. The amount was insignificant for me, but I believed that I had been defrauded and I complained to Liffe [ London International Financial Futures Exchange, which is where the contract traded]. Liffe explained that the settlement rate was not determined by what rates were actually in the market. Instead, the British Banker’s Association polled banks, asking them what the rates were. The highest and lowest quoted rates were discarded and the rest were averaged, giving the settlement rate. Liffe explained that, in doing this, they were adhering to the terms of the contract.
    I talked with some of my more experienced colleagues about this. They told me banks misreported the Libor rates in a way that would generally bring them profits. I had been unaware of that, as I was relatively new to financial trading. My naivety seemed to be humorous to my colleagues.
    So consider what this tells us:
    1. Libor manipulation was already recognized by market participants in 1991 as a common phenomenon. That implies it had been going on at least a few years before that
    2. The manipulation appears to have more than occasionally been more than a single basis point (Keenan says here the effect was “several” basis points, which I take to be three or more)
    Oh, an an additional tidbit: Bob Diamond was in Morgan Stanley London as of then, in charge of interest rate trading, which means his claim that he had found out about Libor manipulation at Barclays mere weeks before his Treasury Select testimony was bollocks.
    Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/...6TwmCFcWdBg.99


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    External trader to a Barclay's trader, asking for a lower Libor submission: "If it comes in unchanged I'm a dead man."
    Barclay's trader promises to "have a chat".
    External trader to Barclay's
    trader later that day: "Dude. I owe you big time! Come over one day after work and I'm opening a bottle of Bollinger."


    http://m.guardian.co.uk/business/201...s&type=article
    As in the case of the Irish Financial Regulator's window-dressing exercise in introducing more laws & regulations for the banks, this means absolutely nothing if the appetite to enforce the law is nil. As a banker of many years I can safely say that the problem has never been the lack of legislation, but rather the complete lack of proper law enforcement when it comes to the conduct of banks. Fred the Shred of RBS (owners of Ulster Banks) lost his knighthood, but is he in jail? Can the FSA say that RBS never broke any laws & regulations while Fred drove it into the ground and onto the lap of the British tax payer?
    Five years ago I resigned from my position at the risk manager of UniCredit Bank Ireland - the Irish subsidiary of Italy's biggest bank. I had officially notified the regulator's office that we were 'cooking the books' by BILLIONS of Euros. Brian Hillery, the chairman of UniCredit Ireland at the time, now sits on the board of directors of the Central Bank of Ireland. The Irish bank guarantee and the subsequent bail out were a result of Ireland's banks running completely dry of liquidity. The Financial Regulator's own documents stipulate a possible prison sentence of up to 5 years for breaching liquidity requirements. I resigned from UniCredit Bank Ireland specifically over this issue. How many Irish bank executives are in prison for running their banks into the ground?


    Jonathan Sugarman 2 October 2012

    Last edited by C. Flower; 04-10-2012 at 09:34 AM.

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    Looking at how the financial crisis is being handled it is obvious that the Bankers are pulling the strings.

    Both the ECB and the FED are involved in the biggest heist on the citizens of Europe and the U.S on behalf of a banking system that is wholly insolvent.

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    Default Re: New PW Blog Post by Jonathan Sugarman - Libor Fixing - the Greatest Financial Scandal of them All

    Easy money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Easy money.
    Next big investment? Civil and inter state Wars. Which side? Both.

    Sure is,nt that how the Rothschilds started?

    Back both sides and force the loser to pay the debts of both sides. 2 winners out of 3 everytime. Bank always a winner.

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    Whistle blowers in Ireland always get thrown to the wolves or if they are female accused of throwing "hissy fits". I will follow this thread with interest and attempt to fill in the large financial gaps in my head.

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    Why not start with people who were given mortgages while encouraged to give false or exagerrated information?

    Set up a facebook page or a website that allows people to tell the stories and even name the employees that advised them on the mortgage application.

    If people are afraid to take on the banks because of the power and money of the banks, let them take on the employees of the bank. It won,t be long before the employees start to spill the beans on their superiors and so on.

    Just an idea. As I said on another thread, it won,t be long now. We are nearly there.

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    Here is the link to my interview on ABC TV in Australia last November. Other interviewees include Sir John Vickers and Nick Leeson:
    http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2011/s3367080.htm

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    Excellent piece once again. Has there ever been an opportunity to speak out on Irish television or radio Jonathan?
    Do the right thing.

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    Thank you Frankie.

    RTE has visited my blog countless times, but they have never been in touch with me. There has been some contact with TV3 people, but nothing has materialised yet.

    It is interesting that my story was regarded of interest to the Australian tax payer (ABC TV is state-owned), but yet it has not been shown on Irish TV. One wonders why...

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    Great work as usual Jonathan. RTE and the rest of the media don't mind stepping on feet, so long as they're little feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Moth View Post
    Whistle blowers in Ireland always get thrown to the wolves or if they are female accused of throwing "hissy fits". I will follow this thread with interest and attempt to fill in the large financial gaps in my head.
    Don't worry

    Fine Gael will (allegedly) legislate for it

    Fine Gael has already published an Open Government Bill. It will significantly strengthen Freedom of Information; establish a whistleblowers charter; register all lobbyists; and create a new Electoral Commission.
    http://www.finegael2011.com/pdf/Fine...%20low-res.pdf
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    Sen,
    Thanks for the encouragement ;-)

    DCon,
    There is a rather well-known FG minister who has remained mysteriously silent about his meetingwith me when he was still in opposition. Our meeting took place at a solicitors firm inb Ballsbridge, Dublin 4.

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    Reuters reports this evening that RBS and the authorities have yet to finalise how much of a fine RBS will pay for its role in the LIBOR fixing exercise. Notice the complete absence of any talk of possible prison sentences for anyone involved in this crime.



    RBS faces delay in Libor settlement - sources


    6:52pm BST
    By Matt Scuffham and Steve Slater

    LONDON (Reuters) - Royal Bank of Scotland faces a delay in reaching a settlement over its role in the Libor interest rate rigging scandal because of difficulties agreeing a deal with all the regulators involved, finance industry sources said.

    The British bank is eager to draw a line under the affair and refocus attention on its recovery. The bank was partly nationalised during the financial crisis in a 45 billion pound rescue by the UK government.

    Barclays was fined $450 million (278.4 million pounds) by U.S. and UK regulators in June for manipulating Libor - the London Interbank Offered Rate - and is the only bank to have settled.

    More than a dozen banks are now under investigation by regulators for suspected rigging of interbank rates used to price trillions of dollars worth of financial products, including home loans and credit cards.

    RBS was initially expected to settle with regulators early in the fourth quarter, but this is more likely to be at the end of 2012 or early next year because authorities around the world are working to competing agendas and at different speeds.

    Reuters reported in August that U.S. and British authorities were at odds over how and when to interview key witnesses. The Financial Services Authority wanted to speak to traders ahead of a timetable set by the U.S. Justice Department.

    RBS might have to settle individually with regulators instead of doing a collective deal because they are working to different time frames, several finance industry sources said.

    "RBS would love to get it all over and done with. They would much rather have one fine paid up front than fines paid over several quarters because the drip feed is what investors don't like," said one source close to the bank.

    Britain is keen to protect the value of its 82 percent RBS stake, with taxpayers currently sitting on a paper loss of 22 billion pounds.
    RBS declined to comment on the timing or structure of any resolution.
    The Financial Services Authority (FSA) declined to comment. Its chairman, Adair Turner, said in July that he expected to fine another bank for Libor rigging this year.

    TOUGHER PUNISHMENT

    RBS said in August it had dismissed staff in relation to the Libor scandal following an internal investigation. It said it was co-operating with governments and regulators in the United States, Britain and Japan and with competition authorities in Europe, the United States and Canada.

    Court documents filed in Singapore showed a former RBS trader discussed Libor fixing with traders from other banks and described the process as a cartel.
    A person familiar with the matter said on Friday RBS had suspended a trader earlier this year for attempting to manipulate a reference lending rate in Singapore.

    RBS appeared to be preparing the ground for a settlement in August when Hester said the bank would "stand up and take any punishment" arising from the affair.
    Some analysts believe the bank could face a tougher punishment than Barclays which received a 30 percent "discount" on the fines for co-operating with authorities.

    Barclays' executives said in July that fines handed out to other banks would "put in perspective its own punishment."

    Reuters reported in July that RBS and Switzerland's UBS were two of the banks that had played a central role in the manipulation of the rates.
    The fallout from Barclays' fine led to the departure of Chief Executive Bob Diamond.

    The regulatory mood has since become more aggressive.

    U.S. authorities, for example, have attacked practices at UK banks Barclays, HSBC and Standard Chartered over the summer. A fine by New York's banking regulator on Standard Chartered for lax anti-money laundering controls on transactions with Iran highlighted competition between U.S. regulators.

    (Additional reporting by Aruna Viswanatha in Washington. Editing by Jane Merriman)

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/1...8940HZ20121005

    I am amused by the fact that someone at RBS found the time to visit my blog today at 12:13pm. The visitor came from IP address 155.136.80.161.

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    Default Re: New PW Blog Post by Jonathan Sugarman - Libor Fixing - the Greatest Financial Scandal of them All

    Gensler Says LIBOR Still Being Rigge

    Sept. 26, 2012 (LPAC) — London Interbank Offered Rates (LIBORs) are {still} being rigged, and should be ditched and replaced by other interest-rate measures, said Commodities Futures Trading Commission chairman Gary Gensler to a conference at the European Parliament on … Continue reading →

    http://laroucheirishbrigade.wordpress.com/?s=libor
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    Surely all mortgage holders are entitled to take an action against all banks responsible for the criminal activity, that was the manipulation of the interest rate.

    The bankers are the problem.

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