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    http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/us-...rm-477136.html

    When Chomsky was writing about teabaggers and fascism, somehow I doubt even he imagined that their candidates would habitually dress in SS uniforms.

    A Republican candidate for the US House of Representatives dressed up in a German SS uniform to participate in Nazi re-enactments, it was reported.

    The Atlantic magazine said Rich Iott, a favourite of the conservative “tea party” movement in north-west Ohio, took part in the re-enactments for years.

    Mr Iott is running in Ohio’s Ninth District against Democratic Representative Marcy Kaptur, who was first elected in 1982.

    Mr Iott said he did not mean to disrespect anyone who has served in the military.

    He said he has been involved with historical re-enactments from different eras since he graduated from college.

    The Democrats’ House campaign arm said Mr Iott’s participation in the re-enactments – and the fact that Republicans embrace Mr Iott – sends a chilling message to Americans.
    Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/us-...#ixzz11yH9YOsz
    Last edited by C. Flower; 10-10-2010 at 06:11 PM.

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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/us-...rm-477136.html

    When Chomsky was writing about teabaggers and fascism, somehow I doubt even he imagined that their candidates would habitually dress in SS uniforms.

    A Republican candidate for the US House of Representatives dressed up in a German SS uniform to participate in Nazi re-enactments, it was reported.

    The Atlantic magazine said Rich Iott, a favourite of the conservative “tea party” movement in north-west Ohio, took part in the re-enactments for years.

    Mr Iott is running in Ohio’s Ninth District against Democratic Representative Marcy Kaptur, who was first elected in 1982.

    Mr Iott said he did not mean to disrespect anyone who has served in the military.

    He said he has been involved with historical re-enactments from different eras since he graduated from college.

    The Democrats’ House campaign arm said Mr Iott’s participation in the re-enactments – and the fact that Republicans embrace Mr Iott – sends a chilling message to Americans.


    Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/us-...#ixzz11yH9YOsz
    The American far-right are nutjobs. Nothing new really.

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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    http://voteiott.com/

    I must send this guy some money.

    He dosn't sound like a National Socialist to me.

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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Ryder View Post
    What you have adduced there does not amount to Chomsky giving support to the KR régime, as you falsely alleged. He is expressing concern over bias in the reporting from Cambodia in the '70s, notably the lack of coverage of the illegal and massive United States bombing of large swathes Cambodian territory in the early 1970s; this bombing and its effects in the Cambodian countryside played an indirect, but significant part, in the rise to power of the Khmer Rouge.

    Once more I'm asking you to retract that patently false allegation, if you have any regard for the facts of an argument. If you don't, I may indeed contact Mr. Chomsky about this.
    Yo Kiddo,

    Did you ever contact Noam?
    If you didn't, well here's something else you can bleat about when you do.

    http://natethayer.typepad.com/blog/2...epentant-.html


    Have a nice chat

    PS give him my regards.
    I have quite some respect for aspects of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev Bar View Post
    Yo Kiddo,

    Did you ever contact Noam?
    If you didn't, well here's something else you can bleat about when you do.

    http://natethayer.typepad.com/blog/2...epentant-.html


    Have a nice chat

    PS give him my regards.
    I have quite some respect for aspects of him.
    Chomsky isn't the only respected commentator who has referred to some uncomfortable truths regarding the relationship between the U.S and the KR.
    Pilger:

    http://chss.montclair.edu/english/fu...rpolpotnus.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griska View Post
    Chomsky isn't the only respected commentator who has referred to some uncomfortable truths regarding the relationship between the U.S and the KR.
    Pilger:

    http://chss.montclair.edu/english/fu...rpolpotnus.pdf
    Thank you for the support against those who would wilfully obfuscate and distort. I suspect that yer man's antipathy to Chomsky has more to do with his dislike of Chomsky's anarchist political sympathies than any (falsely proposed) supposed sympathies on Chomsky's part with the DPRK (sic).
    Last edited by Kid Ryder; 02-12-2011 at 01:11 AM. Reason: more clarity
    "It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts."
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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    Quote Originally Posted by Griska View Post
    Chomsky isn't the only respected commentator who has referred to some uncomfortable truths regarding the relationship between the U.S and the KR.
    Pilger:

    http://chss.montclair.edu/english/fu...rpolpotnus.pdf
    We know those truths.
    And indeed they were true.
    Once.
    But poor old Pilger made an ass of himself clinging to them when they were no longer true.
    Cos bar out of tune radios, nothing is permanently static.
    And Johny was too high on left wing hubris to bother his ill tempered ass to do some work to find that out.

    But just thought I would dig the issue up for the Kid's possible enlightenment as I was was just reading chunks of Thayer's unpublished manuscript.

    The Chomsky stuff is actually boring... bar its potential for getting a rile out of the blind prostrate Chomsky duped devotees. (As opposed to admirers.)

    But if you want some genuine fun, try this:

    http://natethayer.typepad.com/blog/2...te-thayer.html


    The Chomsky stuff is the by product of the 20 years of impressive yet obsessive work that got the above.

    (Which is not to say I dispute its validity. Noam blew it with his early impression of the KR. Hey rock n roll ans dandy, the North Vietnamese behaved but that does not mean reports that Cambodian Communists - not that they ever were - didn't were lies).

    Noam like the Catholic Church defended the sancitity of his worldview.

    And some of his dumb devotees - who shall remain nameless - can't contemplate the possibility that the revolutions bishop made a mistake.

    Cos they too are looking for a religion. A certainty.

    And anyone with half a brain knows the lust for certainty will make a fool out of you.
    Last edited by Kev Bar; 02-12-2011 at 02:38 AM.

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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Ryder View Post
    Thank you for the support against those who would wilfully obfuscate and distort. I suspect that yer man's antipathy to Chomsky has more to do with his dislike of Chomsky's anarchist political sympathies than any (falsely proposed) supposed sympathies on Chomsky's part with the DPRK (sic).
    You suspect wrong.
    Quelle surprise!

    Grounds for hope though...that you "sic" your own mistake.

    PRDK is what you meant.

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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    This talk by Noam Chomsky rightly characterized the Spanish Civil War as a proxy setting for the conflict between Berlin and Moscow where the ordinary people such as those villagers who lived in Membría were crushed by one autocratic side or the other.
    His analysis of the influence of financial institutions and corporations is spot on.

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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    Quote Originally Posted by RosaLuxembourg View Post
    Chomsky's a bit of a drama queen isnt he?

    The whole Teabagger/Libertarian movement is a product of the USA being founded on an idealogly unsuited to present day socio-economic realities. These people are fantasists who will never get anywhere near power...Best just to laugh at them.
    I think this is an appropriate thread to resurrect...and particularly this comment. Many of us might have held the same belief but six years later the Tea Party has effectively come to power.

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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    I think this is an appropriate thread to resurrect...and particularly this comment. Many of us might have held the same belief but six years later the Tea Party has effectively come to power.
    Yes, I've been mildly surprised that - at least outside the UK - not that much has been said about Trump and teabaggery.

    Do the support bases really coincide neatly ?
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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    Tea party types alone would not have been sufficient to bring Trump to power, but I have little doubt that the vast majority of them voted for him. He ticks all their boxes.
    "If you go far enough to either extreme of the political spectrum, Communist or fascist, you'll find hard-eyed men with guns who believe that anybody who doesn't think as they do should be incarcerated or exterminated. " - Jim Garrison, Former DA, New Orleans.

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    Default Re: Chomsky on the Tea Party - Dark Clouds of Fascism Gathering

    He definitely ticks a lot of the boxes and had a lot of admiration for them;

    President Donald Trump praised the Tea Party movement throughout his 2016 campaign.[145] In August 2015, he told a Tea Party gathering in Nashville that "The tea party people are incredible people. These are people who work hard and love the country and they get beat up all the time by the media."[
    Several commentators, including Jonathan Chait,[151] Jenny Beth Martin,[152][153] and Sarah Palin,[154] argued that the Tea Party played a key role in the election of Donald Trump as the Republican Party presidential nominee, and eventually as U.S. president, and that Trump's election was even the culmination of the Tea Party and anti-establishment dissatisfaction associated with it. Martin stated after the election that "with the victory of Donald Trump, the values and principles that gave rise to the tea party movement in 2009 are finally gaining the top seat of power in the White House."[153]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

    Although the piece goes on to say that some believe the movement to be dead you can't deny that the ideology and mindset is not ever present in Trump.

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