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Thread: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue? [Update: Joe O'Connor elected for 13/14 term]

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    How come the good guys in FEE don't get themselves elected ?
    In one Dublin college the SU president largely got elected because he brought in a box of puppies when he was canvassing. I'm not even joking.

    Lots of students don't bother voting. Those who run get elected in what is a popularity contest. If you have a large or influential society behind you, you will win. They have catchy slogans and nice sounding policy positions but once elected suck up to the establishment. At best their term in office is something nice to put on their CV, at worst it's a step on the ladder towards a political career. SU's are full of pretty much the same people each year, they bounce around positions.

    There are one or two notable exceptions of course.

    You get decent people running of course but they rarely get elected. TBH I don't see why they bother.

    If "student politicians" didn't tend to go on and become real politicians I'd ignore the entire thing.

    I personally despise student politics, it's an ego trip for the vast majority.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    this http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/9180/

    Logue has the distinction of being the first FFer to be lead out of the Dáil in handcuffs
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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    In one Dublin college the SU president largely got elected because he brought in a box of puppies when he was canvassing. I'm not even joking.

    Lots of students don't bother voting. Those who run get elected in what is a popularity contest. If you have a large or influential society behind you, you will win. They have catchy slogans and nice sounding policy positions but once elected suck up to the establishment. At best their term in office is something nice to put on their CV, at worst it's a step on the ladder towards a political career. SU's are full of pretty much the same people each year, they bounce around positions.

    There are one or two notable exceptions of course.

    You get decent people running of course but they rarely get elected. TBH I don't see why they bother.

    If "student politicians" didn't tend to go on and become real politicians I'd ignore the entire thing.

    I personally despise student politics, it's an ego trip for the vast majority.
    Food for thought for advocates of reducing the voting age.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Food for thought for advocates of reducing the voting age.
    Hardly. vast majority of these people are over 18. Lots of older people vote for people for equally stupid reasons.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    I notice his county man Pearse Doherty and Cork SF TD Jonathan O'Brien made a big fuss this morning about freeing 'the USI one".
    Looking for a new recruit maybe?

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Hardly. vast majority of these people are over 18. Lots of older people vote for people for equally stupid reasons.
    I wasn't a great fan of reducing the age to 18 either. Let me write the law and it would be 25.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    I notice his county man Pearse Doherty and Cork SF TD Jonathan O'Brien made a big fuss this morning about freeing 'the USI one".
    Looking for a new recruit maybe?
    They should know better and see past Logue's stunt. Should be calling for them to throw away the key.

    But I suppose they feel they can't alienate students.

    Here's what I don't get, Logue and young people like him joining Fianna Fáil.

    I'm in my early twenties too. I grew up with Tribunals, Berties luck on the gee gees, evident corruption and cronyism etc within successive governments, all FF led.

    Then we had the downturn, and then particularly the Biffo years during which the facade of cash which papered over the corruption and all other kinds of disgusting things which went on during the boom, disappeared. The ordinary Joe, who mightn't be very politically aware, knew what the scéal was. Could see that FF were poison.

    In that time people Logue's age went to college. Many with an aim like myself to get involved with political groups, for one reason or another. So lets go back to that timeframe and look at the parties, the big three, at the time.

    Labour: Speaking soundly about many issues in the Dáil. Have good positions on lots of social issues like gay rights. Some very likable and articulate members. Talking the talk. Perfectly understandable why young people would join.

    Fine Gael: Also talking the talk. I don't subscribe to their political ideology but fair enough if you do. Can see why some students would be inspired by them (I know we are talking about a party Enda Kenny is leader of but bear with me) and decide to join.

    Then we have Fianna Fáil. Countless examples of corruption. Destroying the country, it's literally falling down around them. Giving away our sovereignty, guaranteeing the banks, saddling the Irish people with debt which may forever cripple them - effectively getting the country to commit suicide. Really fcuking things up. All sorts of nepotism, cronyism, brown envelope carry on taking place.

    There are also the various other parties, socialists, Sinn Féin and whatnot - they all have some merit to them, it's understandable why students would join them, students who genuinely want to make a positive difference to society, ditto with two out of the three I discussed above.

    But then you have the other kind of students. The other kind of young people.

    You have students who look(ed) at this cancer of Irish society which is Fianna Fáil, looked at the culture of this party, the embodiment of everything negative about Irish politics and say - "I want some of that, sign me up!" and proudly march about with Biffo Che Guevara style t-shirts on, whilst their country - the future for Ireland's young people - crumbles around them as it is destroyed by their party.

    "I'll be alright Jack!", they must have thought as emigration and unemployment steadily rose;
    "I'm signed up to the old boys club now, I've got a ticket for the gravy train! Either way they'll make a comeback, always have before!"

    I can kind of understand people who've been members for decades remaining during that time. You make friends etc in a political party and become loyal to personalities rather than the party, its policies and positions.

    But people, especially young people, joining during that time period, or even now, I don't understand - or rather I don't want to understand. I don't really want to think that there are such self centered, selfish young people like that in this country - my generations shame.

    It says volumes about a persons character, personality and life goals joining Fianna Fáil after what they've done. And in case I haven't been clear, it says nothing even remotely approaching complimentary about them.

    Yes, the anger is strong in this one. But it's a righteous anger.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    USI have bottled a protest because the Gardaí said no.
    THE UNION OF Students Ireland (USI) has cancelled its student sleep out at the Dáil which was due to take place tonight after Garda permission was refused last night.

    The sleep out was organised by the USI in protest against the 3 per cent cut to the income threshold for the student maintenance grant and the ongoing SUSI grant application crisis.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/student-sle...urce=shortlink

    Fearless leaders indeed.

    Don't want to shake the establishment at all. Cowards.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    USI have bottled a protest because the Gardaí said no.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/student-sle...urce=shortlink

    Fearless leaders indeed.

    Don't want to shake the establishment at all. Cowards.
    Public Order Act used, according the the Garda Press Office. Not good.
    The custom and practice of being allowed to protest at the Dail is long established.

    When was the last time the Gardai said no?

    Do people even ask ?
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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    USI have bottled a protest because the Gardaí said no.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/student-sle...urce=shortlink

    Fearless leaders indeed.

    Don't want to shake the establishment at all. Cowards.
    Budget for Garda overtime runs out with two weeks to go until the end of the year?

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Shamefully the powers that be in DCU have allowed USI to campaign on campus in TWO referendums which are taking place soon. One is on USI reaffiliation and the other is about abortion (a poll to get student opinion on it).

    As should be obvious the rationale behind this is to allow the USI to preach to the converted on one topic to influence the other vote.

    Why on earth an outside organization has been allowed to campaign on a referendum which has nothing to do with them on DCU campus is beyond me, there is no convincing explanation other than what I stated above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Shamefully the powers that be in DCU have allowed USI to campaign on campus in TWO referendums which are taking place soon. One is on USI reaffiliation and the other is about abortion (a poll to get student opinion on it).

    As should be obvious the rationale behind this is to allow the USI to preach to the converted on one topic to influence the other vote.

    Why on earth an outside organization has been allowed to campaign on a referendum which has nothing to do with them on DCU campus is beyond me, there is no convincing explanation other than what I stated above.
    Are the USI looking for a referendum on abortion or am I completely misreading you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    Are the USI looking for a referendum on abortion or am I completely misreading you?
    DCU are having a college vote so the DCU Student Union will know how to lobby the govt etc on behalf of students. I think the other colleges had one too. USI are campaigning for a yes vote [I think its more complicated than that, there are a number of options students can vote for re abortion] on DCU campus.

    USI are campaigning for a Pro Choice vote.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    That parasite Gary Redmond is speaking at the young FF gangster conference in Sligo.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Oh and look who it is holding up the new president of young FF. Only there to give a speech? Ha.


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