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Thread: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue? [Update: Joe O'Connor elected for 13/14 term]

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Many of the Celtic Kittens are quite unpleasant individuals so we shouldn't be too surprised at who they choose to represent them.
    Oh really? The Tanaiste and other senior members of Labour at cabinet level began their political careers in different SUs in the 70s, long before the Tiger generation was thought of, never mind born....
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    Oh really? The Tanaiste and other senior members of Labour at cabinet level began their political careers in different SUs in the 70s, long before the Tiger generation was thought of, never mind born....
    Did they campaign for things like slashing the pay of their lecturers?

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    Are they not the ones doing that now? The percentage of students involved in voting these toerags into office are very small, and apathy is at an all time high. My alma mater in the year I left recorded a 16% turnout, the fact a FFer was elected reflects nothing on those wjo abstained from the farce.
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    lol Baron, you have things pretty skewed if you think it's the under 25s who are leading attacks on other generations. Ireland or elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    Are they not the ones doing that now? The percentage of students involved in voting these toerags into office are very small, and apathy is at an all time high. My alma mater in the year I left recorded a 16% turnout, the fact a FFer was elected reflects nothing on those wjo abstained from the farce.
    It says they didn't care enough to participate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    lol Baron, you have things pretty skewed if you think it's the under 25s who are leading attacks on other generations. Ireland or elsewhere
    Not just under 25s. To the extent that we can make generalisations about these things, I think there's a selfishness about the generation that came of age at the start of the boom that didn't exist to any great extent up to then. Unfortunately it's a trait that has carried on to their offspring.

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    neo liberalism innit

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    The weakness of the USI is exemplified by the warm welcome Quinn gave to the news that Trinity decided to remain in the USI. He supports the USI. Relationship is far too cozy.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    Are they not the ones doing that now? The percentage of students involved in voting these toerags into office are very small, and apathy is at an all time high. My alma mater in the year I left recorded a 16% turnout, the fact a FFer was elected reflects nothing on those wjo abstained from the farce.
    Student politics, because of the three year cycle, can be relatively easily controlled by any well organised group or individuals that starts from week one with a game plan to get a Union position.

    If the left wants to end the domination of FF and FG, it will need to be at least as well organised and determined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Student politics, because of the three year cycle, can be relatively easily controlled by any well organised group or individua that starts from week one with a game plan to get a Union position.

    If the left wants to end the domination of FF and FG, it will need to be at least as well organised and determined.
    There needs to be a clear plan from the start. You can always tell who the clever ones are vying for the position of presidency of the students union. They go for all the positions in the union each term or semester depending on the length of position. When I was in college we had a welfare officer who was useless who took the position just to add to their CV and for no other reason. This person had been entertainments officer, sports officer and other positions within the organisation so that they could gain the experience and make the contacts. If the left were smart here they would look at how to build a broad consensus at college level. Students do not care about things like austerity and bin charges so they have to be targeted in other ways. Discuss things that are the "mot du jour" like Assange, student fees or issues that reflect their needs. Survey the students . Nothing like that has been done from the left on that bar Labour but then again they are not really the left, well not any more anyways...
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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    Logue apparently ''arrested" after refusing to sit down in the Dáil gallery

    in response to the Fianna Fáil motion being voted down I wonder...

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    Very good question Dr Five, it was during a debate on education. What was FF's motion?

    They're saying it was because he wouldn't sit, bullsh!t. Been there loads of times and I and others have stood. Must have been causing a disturbance... whoever vouched for him will be in the bad books.

    Is there some way we could find out which TD signed him in? Most probably a FFer.

    Publicity stunt pulled off it seems.

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    Default Re: USI: Gary Redmond was a Fianna Fáiler, who is his replacement, John Logue?

    this http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/9180/

    Logue has the distinction of being the first FFer to be lead out of the Dáil in handcuffs

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    USI President John Logue. Who is he?

    After his stunt at the Dáil, "standing up for students", people might get a false impression of the man. It was a Fianna Fáil motion, no doubt they invited him and he ably played his part in a typical Fianna Fáil publicity stunt. Helping out his pals in Fianna Fáil so he was, trying to show students that Fianna Fáil are looking out for students and have their best interests at heart... as Logue himself does. Utter rubbish of course, nothing could be further from the truth. We all know Fianna Fáil's record. But not much about Logue. Time to peer behind the publicity stunts and the facade he has constructed.


    Whilst over a million Irish people refuse to pay the household charge, and workers across the country take to sit-ins as their first course of action; the “leaders” of the Irish student movement operate as lackeys for this austerity government, using a vacuum of de-politicisation to foster fabricated support for a graduate tax or a student loan system.


    There has been no groundswell of popular opinion calling for a change to USI policy. This “preferendum” ( a made-up word mixing referendum with preference) has been initiated solely by those within the USI with an agenda altogether different to that which they were elected on. It’s quite hilarious to hear Gary Redmond, USI President, condemning Ruairi Quinn for going back on his promise to not raise fees, when he himself is now openly advocating a graduate tax despite his mandate being to oppose fees in all forms. When news came out last week that Redmond and President-elect, John Logue, have been involved with the graduate tax campaign, it was very quickly realised that these people are not acting in the interests of the student body, but rather in the interests of the government – Fine Gael supported a graduate tax before the general election and student loans at their recent Ard Fheis.

    To engage in this “preferendum” business, students are asked to visit a website, place their preferences beside a number of options (options which see the USI actually considering full fees as a reasonable mandate for a union) and then all these votes will be collated and broken down for each 3rd-level institution with each result being a mandate for the respective college delegation to a special congress of the USI on Wednesday the 23rd May. The fact that graduates of colleges who are now elsewhere can vote in their previous college has been met with little concern by the USI, with Redmond saying that it is the duty of the administration of 3rd-level institutions to work out who is and isn’t a student there. Surely this would mean delegations would then be going to this special congress with a mandate made up of votes of students who don’t even go to the respective college? To this the USI has responded and said that the online votes will be analysed and those who vote in a college they are not attending will be separated and ruled out, completely destroying the idea that this “preferendum” is being done by secret ballot.

    Free Education for Everyone believes that this “preferendum” should not be taking place at all. To that end, we call on all delegates to the USI Special Congress on the 23rd to vote for a 9B. A 9B is a procedure which declares that the question (in this case the “preferendum”) not be put to students at all. There has been movement calling for a 9D at this Congress, which calls for the “preferendum” to be run in October when students are actually around college and can be informed. However, we believe that knowing the intentions of the current President and Vice-President and the President-elect, that options such as a graduate tax or student loans will be presented as favourable to students by these individuals, with no impartiality and to the complete detriment of the USI’s current policy – 100% Exchequer-funded or in other words, free education.

    When we have a union whose vice-president attempts to call on delegates to National Congress in April to back a Yes vote to the so-called Fiscal Treaty, students should be aware of these people and their agendas. Colm Murphy is a member of Fine Gael, whilst both Gary Redmond and John Logue have been in Fianna Fail. In any other walk of life, these facts would not be ignored; in a Union where these individuals constantly have to liaise with the Government, they should be considered paramount. Individuals such as Pat de Brun, current UCD SU President who declared that the bailing out of unsecured bondholders was not an issue for students, will then gladly write in the national press that free education is unrealistic and then throw his weight behind a graduate tax, only a few days after exclaiming that ‘unions’ are holding the Government to ransom. One must call into question here this statement in conjunction with his role as a union President.

    Free Education for Everyone is a grassroots campaign, organised across Ireland, composed of students, workers and parents dedicated to keeping education free at all levels. It has been proven in other countries that options such as a graduate tax and student loans only serve to worsen the problem of higher education funding.

    ‘It’s in this sense that the graduate tax proposal indicates a worrying attempt to ideologically entrench a consumerist view of taxation, as opposed to the historical use for which taxes have been used – redistribution. This consumerist ideology is contrary to the principle that any robust defence of a publicly funded HE system must adhere – that investment in our universities is good for the economy and therefore society, not just the individual. In this respect, the graduate tax is an ideological and rhetorical dead-end for the student movement.’

    Education is a right, not a privilege. FEE believes 3rd-level education should be funded by a central progressive taxation system. FEE calls on all delegates to the USI Congress on the 23rd to 9B this “preferendum” and stop the right-wing ideologues at the top of the USI from changing USI policy to that of a neo-liberal government.
    http://free-education.info/fee-state...g-preferendum/
    FEE Statement from May.

    Logue has been very reluctant to discuss his political party past - with good reason.

    So how active was he in FF? He might want people to think he was just an ordinary member (which is bad enough) but he was far from that, he was a senior and very active member within UCD;

    Source

    Post by a UCD student and Fianna Fáil member in 2010 in the boards.ie UCD forum, long before Logue's stint at the USI:



    Here we have a video uploaded by UCD's Fianna Fáil cumann, The "Kevin Barry Cumann". The screenshot (in case the video mysteriously disappears) speaks for itself.


    So UCD Fianna Fáil actively campaigned on his behalf when he ran for a SU position.

    Oh, and guess who else campaigned on his behalf in UCD? The man he took over from as president of the USI, Gary Redmond. Fianna Fáilers gotta stick together after all.

    Then we have a UCD paper election special with a profile of our hero:
    John Logue
    2nd Law

    While he may be unfamiliar to the vast majority of students, even those already involved in the Students’ Union, John Logue has ambitious plans if he gets elected to the role of Education Vice-President.

    Top of Logue’s list of priorities is a renewed transparency and accountability from class reps, Programme Officers and sabbatical officers. His primary concern is with class reps, who he does not feel are currently very accountable to their classes. Logue wants reps to regularly address their classes and gauge their opinions on upcoming motions, and to encourage more students to get further involved.

    While he claims to be a new face, Logue currently sits on the Student Consultative Forum, which he cites as a form of experience for the role of Education Vice-President. He says that he is running for the role out of “frustration”, and is different from his opponent in that he recognises the SU as a “closed society” and wishes to tackle this.

    While it’s commendable that Logue wishes to get involved in a structure that he has had little prior involvement in, his manifesto does reveal a lack of experience. Among other things, his demand that academics publish sample A and D-graded scripts is unfeasible, having been rejected by lecturers in the past. However, his enthusiasm is quite refreshing in a structure that seems to be jaded and cliquey.

    Logue acknowledges his involvement in the UCD Ógra Fianna Fáil group, the Kevin Barry Cumann, yet maintains that he will not allow party politics to influence him in his role within the SU, saying that “I’ve no ambition to be a politician or a senator.” However, his political links are obvious in his constant references to getting advice from former Education Vice-President and current National Youth Officer for Fianna Fáil, Brian Doyle.

    Logue’s enthusiasm is refreshing and he maintains that he will be able to build experience and will work hard to know policy if he is elected. A fresh face is something that UCD Students’ Union sorely needs, and if Logue’s enthusiasm has some backbone behind it, he will prove a formidable opponent for Williamson.
    http://www.universityobserver.ie/201...ice-president/

    I draw your attention to the underlined section, he's got the utter spoofer part of being a Fianna Fáiler nailed down.

    Pretty conclusive body of evidence I think, thick as thieves with Fianna Fáil. Don't believe his words or fall for his stunts. His USI gig is just another step on the ladder for this wannabe politician from a Fianna Fáil family. Look at his personal position on Fees and look at his stunts. At a young age he has already mastered the FF art of telling people what they want - while believing and doing another.

    He is the type of president Sean Gallagher would have been - a proxy Fianna Fáil one. It's no coincidence that Ógra Fianna Fáil members are leading the campaign to affiliate in colleges such as DCU which are unaffiliated with the USI.

    There's an agenda at play.

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    How come the good guys in FEE don't get themselves elected ?
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