4 prisoners on Hunger Strike since 14 August 2012 at Maghaberry

[C. Flower]

That's nonsense Cass, up there with MMG being a spy. Why you think that document is in any way trustworthy or accurate is beyond me.

It's simply anti provo propaganda.

It may be a very broad brush description of what happened, but the reason I give it some credibility is that I have read detailed accounts of the intervention of Fianna Fail at that time in providing arms and cash.

"The Lost Revolution" is one source, but there are many others.

Once "the Troubles" were turned into a northern, not an all Irish issue, the jig was pretty well up.


Whether or not MMG worked with the British is another question. I would take his word for it, as given in an RTE interview with Dunphy, that he was personally in communication with a British contact without the knowledge of his organisation from an early stage.

[C. Flower]

got the pro-forma to submit article etc and yes have photos etc - checking through facts as i know from best my knowledge i remember when they were lifted. - Will double check and verify facts and get an update on current situation - thanks - will be back later - i.ll try work on a draft as said above in one of the posts it needs to demonstrate this is a humanitarian issue so all can get an understanding why it is critical and breaching human rights.

You're very welcome to post it here, and people here will pass it on too.

[Kev Bar]

It may be a very broad brush description of what happened, but the reason I give it some credibility is that I have read detailed accounts of the intervention of Fianna Fail at that time in providing arms and cash.

"The Lost Revolution" is one source, but there are many others.

Once "the Troubles" were turned into a northern, not an all Irish issue, the jig was pretty well up.


Whether or not MMG worked with the British is another question. I would take his word for it, as given in an RTE interview with Dunphy, that he was personally in communication with a British contact without the knowledge of his organisation from an early stage.

I'm not saying he didn't.
(And zealots, like dopes, are easy to take for a ride)
But 'working' for someone suggests you are doing it for personal gain.
We need someone to do a good financial trawl.

But that's not the topic here...

[C. Flower]

I'm not saying he didn't.
(And zealots, like dopes, are easy to take for a ride)
But 'working' for someone suggests you are doing it for personal gain.
We need someone to do a good financial trawl.

But that's not the topic here...

I said working with. Towards an outcome both parties could find tolerable.

[wombatwalk]

i have sent an email to civil rights network with text of article i could not submit to indymedia - i posted to a blog my own set up - i cannot share here as forum rules won't let me include email addresses (civil rights network) pointless to share without links - i have to make more than ten posts - the info is here on this thread - and civil rights network available to be contacted at address in thread. also blogs and good to see some healthy debate and not the usual rhetoric appears Facebook etc - i.ll be sticking around i hope - only have a mobile so when i do share please check the formatting and amend if needed. Ty

[wombatwalk]

Hunger strike protest - Sunday 16th september assemble 3.15pm for 3.30pm maghaberry all Welcome bring banners whistles etc.

[wombatwalk]

Please feel free to share anything i have posted

[C. Flower]

i have sent an email to civil rights network with text of article i could not submit to indymedia - i posted to a blog my own set up - i cannot share here as forum rules won't let me include email addresses (civil rights network) pointless to share without links - i have to make more than ten posts - the info is here on this thread - and civil rights network available to be contacted at address in thread. also blogs and good to see some healthy debate and not the usual rhetoric appears Facebook etc - i.ll be sticking around i hope - only have a mobile so when i do share please check the formatting and amend if needed. Ty

If you post it, I will fix the links up.

[wombatwalk]

Updates using variety of sources to compile in one place
hunger striking medical issues via civil rights network
protest Sunday 16th September see http://wombatwalk.blogspot.co.uk/?m=0

[fluffybiscuits]

Updates using variety of sources to compile in one place
hunger striking medical issues via civil rights network
protest Sunday 16th September see http://wombatwalk.blogspot.co.uk/?m=0

Get yourself a twitter account bud, works great

[Kev Bar]

I said working with. Towards an outcome both parties could find tolerable.

You did.

My mistake.

[C. Flower]

You did.

My mistake.

As wombatwalk's blog headers says -

this is the web mistakes happen!!

[C. Flower]

Update

Tuesday, September 11, 2012

civil rights network - 4 Hunger strikers need critical intervention-medical notes on deterioration of health through hunger striking.


via civil rights network - no alterations made to original. CIVIL RIGHTS ALERT – PROTEST FAST –HMP MAGHABERRY 4 Republican remand prisoners commenced a protest fast almost a full calendar month ago on August 14 th Moves by the Civil Rights Network and others to obtain an independent medical examination on each has been opposed by the prison governor. We have already lodged a request for such from the UNHWR. Visitors report that their condition is visibly deteriorating with each passing day, revealing diverse factors such as spitting up, vomiting or passing blood in their urine and that all feel that eyes-sight is already impaired. Based on the report below all four have reached a critical stage and it is therefore our opinion that this protest must be resolved ASAP. We view that aim as a matter deserving public attention, which so far has been lacking in the media, therefore our sense of urgency so as to spare these inmates any permanent physical and psychological damage. That aim has been further frustrated by the fact that a case taken by the four seeking the full implementation of the “segregation clauses” of the Steele Report [2003] was judicially placed on ‘the long finger’. It was due to have been heard last week, a fact that all four find highly depressing, given their current state of health and undoubted desperate plight. o o REMAND PRISONERS’ NAMES o Brothers Dessie and Tommy Hamil: o Austin Campbell and Martin McGilloway o [All from Dungannon, Co. Tyrone.] o o REPORT FROM MEDICAL CONTACTS: o · Hunger Strikes...Firstly: How long one can last on HS depends on the starting body weight and general health of the participant...without food and with an intake of ''only'' water the 'average' person will start to deteriorate rapidly from 4-5 weeks...water should be at room temperature not cooled (to maintain core body temperature)..Salt should be circa 1 teaspoon per 4 pints...water intake should start small and work towards 6-8pints per day. Starting with 2fluid oz every half hour... * Adverse effects on the body...4 weeks Damage to muscle * From 4 weeks on. Weakening of bone structure, hallucinations, dementia, * 5 weeks. Potential damage to internal organs, * From 5 weeks on. Potential organ failure. * Death. Can happen at any time during the HS... * Circa 45-50 days. Motion sickness & vomiting * Circa 55 days. Convulsions and fitting. * The coming off HS can be just as dangerous...nutrients must be commenced again slowly. Many people have died after coming off due to increasing nutrition too quickly resulting in poisoning...another factor is the potential for ''food tampering'' by screws or others after a HS...Very dangerous... Aftercare is vital and in the case of protracted HS. Intensive Therapy would be required in an outside facility to deal with health conditions ''acquired'' as a result of HS. Such as. Neurological conditions, Kidney conditions, infections, immune system problems... The last person to come off a HS in a British Prison was transferred to an ICU and spent 10 days there before stabilising... · NOTE TO MEDIA CONTACTS: · A daily CR Network report can be obtained on request from rights.civil@gmail.com

[wombatwalk]

Hunger Striker tommy hamill collapsed today day 31 week 5 of hunger Strike - it is difficult to get and further information at this stage from maghaberry so no further details known - if and when hear will update blog. Tweet @wombatwalk with underlying already medical conditions it is critical intervention and action by the British regime to solve this - human rights do not discriminate they are universal

[Saoirse go Deo]

Things are very confusing, people are saying over on republican.ie that they are simply not eating prison food, but are eating from the tuck shop.

Why has there been feck all attention given to this "hunger strike" by republican groups? Why has Real Sinn Féin done next to nothing to highlight it?

Things are very strange.