Are the Belgians even stranger than us?

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

I'm with the Belgian member of parliament who favours executing these animals but we've been through that before.

I'm wondering whether this scum are being stored in Belgian jurisdiction for some kind of obscure legal reason?

In each of the cases mentioned here the people concerned would have knowledge of other paedophiles who perhaps weren't caught- possible knowledge of networks of these creeps.

How come the Americans can torture Bradley Manning for acting on principle and yet eminent candidates for some persuasion like these animals are being given a form of effective sanctuary in Belgium?

Something stinks about these apparent coincidences.

[Ephilant]

I'm with the Belgian member of parliament who favours executing these animals but we've been through that before.

I'm wondering whether this scum are being stored in Belgian jurisdiction for some kind of obscure legal reason?

In each of the cases mentioned here the people concerned would have knowledge of other paedophiles who perhaps weren't caught- possible knowledge of networks of these creeps.

How come the Americans can torture Bradley Manning for acting on principle and yet eminent candidates for some persuasion like these animals are being given a form of effective sanctuary in Belgium?

Something stinks about these apparent coincidences.

I don't think the guy gives a blind **** one way or the other about what happens to these guys, or even has an opinion on it. He saw his chance to score electoral points and went for it. He is getting lots of abuse from his own over this. Not for suggesting executing these animals, but for how he did it, the methods advocated and the timing.

[Ephilant]

This idiot just doesn't know when to stop... in further tweets he states that

why waste money? Taking her out would be a lot cheaper than guarding the convent

and then

On second thoughts, Albanians are a little expensive these days. Let's get a junkie instead

He has now been charged by the Belgian authorities with enticing crime, hate speech and threatening behaviour against persons known.

If they throw the book at him, he could be looking at 1 year inside. He is definitely looking at a hefty fine, and possibly suspension from the parliament.

[fluffybiscuits]

Belgium is a strange place alright. When I was in Flanders I made a point of speaking some Dutch to the locals such as directions. Some of them didnt speak English and when I got stuck I switched to French but it was a struggle. They hate speaking French full stop and vice versa for the French speaking Dutch/Flemish! Wonderful country though

[Ephilant]

This is the face of evil. Marcel Dutroux, paedophile, rapist, murdered, kidnapper, hostage taker, and human trafficker, doing life for all of the above.
Today, he applied to the Belgian court for early release, and agreed to wearing an ankle strap if successful.
As 1/3 of his life-sentence has passed, he is fully entitled to do this, and the Belgian courts have to hear his appeal. Instead of telling him were to go and throwing away the key after he's arrived there, they are actually considering this. According to a spokesman for the courts, this could take a few months.
Wouldn't you think they had better things to spend tax payers money on?

[Griska]

I was in various cities around Flanders in 1997 on a study visit.
The posters for the missing children were still everywhere. When I spoke about it with the local people in the group, they were furious that Dutroux had slipped through the system before his arrest.

His wife is a different case though.
There is a theory, and I think I've posted on it here before called folie a deux, where the insanity, or psychosis of one person is temporarily transferred to another. When the pair are seperated, the secondary sufferer's behaviour dissipates.
There was a suggestion that Myra Hindley suffered this syndrome.

[Ephilant]

I was in various cities around Flanders in 1997 on a study visit.
The posters for the missing children were still everywhere. When I spoke about it with the local people in the group, they were furious that Dutroux had slipped through the system before his arrest.

His wife is a different case though.
There is a theory, and I think I've posted on it here before called folie a deux, where the insanity, or psychosis of one person is temporarily transferred to another. When the pair are seperated, the secondary sufferer's behaviour dissipates.
There was a suggestion that Myra Hindley suffered this syndrome.

There is ample suggestion he was let slip through the net until the Dutch got involved. Not only that, he actually managed to escape from prison at some stage, after he was tranferred back to his first prison. They transferred him to Brussels, and the wardens there had to pull him out from a bunch of other inmates who were going to slice him up.
She, according to all accounts, was and is a highly impressionable personality, and most likely a victim of serious abuse herself. He certainly did not spare her his fists, boots, or anything else. That is well documented. But she decided to starve those two girls to death. And she watched him while doing his deeds. Transferred psychosis or not, victim or not, it was still her decision and out of all people, given the history, she must have known that what she was doing and allowing him to do was wrong.
The transferred psychosis theory was also taken into account in the verdict. That's why he got life and she a lesser sentence.
But to even consider letting this guy out on early release is simple beyond comprehension. The question should not be allowed to be asked.

[Griska]

There is ample suggestion he was let slip through the net until the Dutch got involved. Not only that, he actually managed to escape from prison at some stage, after he was tranferred back to his first prison. They transferred him to Brussels, and the wardens there had to pull him out from a bunch of other inmates who were going to slice him up.
She, according to all accounts, was and is a highly impressionable personality, and most likely a victim of serious abuse herself. He certainly did not spare her his fists, boots, or anything else. That is well documented. But she decided to starve those two girls to death. And she watched him while doing his deeds. Transferred psychosis or not, victim or not, it was still her decision and out of all people, given the history, she must have known that what she was doing and allowing him to do was wrong.
The transferred psychosis theory was also taken into account in the verdict. That's why he got life and she a lesser sentence.
But to even consider letting this guy out on early release is simple beyond comprehension. The question should not be allowed to be asked.

The point is, if she was suffering psychosis, she would not have been able to make rational decisions. I'm not saying this theory is sound- I wouldn't be qualified.
I mentioned it because I don't believe in throwing labels like "evil" around.

[Ephilant]

The point is, if she was suffering psychosis, she would not have been able to make rational decisions. I'm not saying this theory is sound- I wouldn't be qualified.
I mentioned it because I don't believe in throwing labels like "evil" around.

Hmmm, so how would you describe this guy then?

[Griska]

Hmmm, so how would you describe this guy then?

Criminally insane.
You can get emotive about it, and that's valid- his crimes were appalling, but evil?
I don't believe people can be evil.

[fluffybiscuits]

Criminally insane.
You can get emotive about it, and that's valid- his crimes were appalling, but evil?
I don't believe people can be evil.

It may that he was also a psychopath and completely to feel any empathy for people. This was the verdict of a Belgian court a while back (http://www.telegraphindia.com/104061...ry_3385982.asp), the man while maybe not evil in a traditional sense saw his actions as being correct and could not see the distress he caused.Not sure of Dutroux's background but one of the reasons he may have been an abuser is that he may have been an abuser himself, something that is very common in a lot of cases, not that it excuses his behaviour but certainly explains it.

[Ephilant]

Criminally insane.
You can get emotive about it, and that's valid- his crimes were appalling, but evil?
I don't believe people can be evil.

Hmmm. Pol Pot? Fred West? Papa Doc? Baby Doc? Adolf Hitler? Joseph Stalin? Kim Il Sung? Kim Jong-Il? Brother Andreas? Brendan Smith? and many, many more...

You can indeed get all academic about it and give them nice labels but that is not a prerequisite to its existence. We might not be able to get a logical, intelligent reasoning together about the concept of "evil", a reasoning that makes it possible for us to recognize evil within a predefined set of rules and characteristics, but that does not mean it doesn't exist. It most definitely does, and Dutroux is very much so personification of evil. Nothing emotive or religious about it.

[Count Bobulescu]

Criminally insane.
You can get emotive about it, and that's valid- his crimes were appalling, but evil?
I don't believe people can be evil.

Seems to me a strange position to take. Why do you believe people are not evil ?
To whom or what if not people, would you attribute the characteristics of evil?
Are you suggesting that the terms “criminal insanity” and “evil” are interchangeable?
What's your definition of evil?
Do you believe evil exists?

[Ephilant]

Another rather perplexing bit of news from this strange little country.

Today, a man appeared in the criminal court in Kortrijk (Courtrai), charged with attempted murder of his 2 children, 3 and 5. The guy is divorced and wanted to teach his ex a lesson she would not forget.
So, in order to teach her that lesson she would not forget, he gave his 2 kids an overdose of sleeping pills, put them to bed and poured 10l of fire accelerant in the bedroom and the hall.
He couldn't get it together to strike the match, and his father interfered before any damage was done. The father called the police.
Verdict? 5 years suspended, 6 months effective. As the events happened in January, he walks free because he already did the time... After all, he didn't really mean it, the dose of sleeping pills wasn't all that excessive, and he didn't really strike the match. Probably spilled the accelerant by accident as well? Judge agreed.
Not only that, he had his visiting rights restored, initially under supervision, but as there was no damage done....

Are they stranger than...?

[Ephilant]

More strange tidings in Belgium. The Belgian Minister for justice admitted today that lots of summons relating to the sexual abuse of children by priests had disappeared. In fact, 445 of them to be exact.
According to Minister TurtelBoom the explanation lies in the fact that

a cleaning lady accidentally remove the paperwork and dumped it

An alternative explanation was given stating that the previous investigating magistrate and his predecessor suffered from bad office management practices took the paperwork home to work on it and

forgot to return it

Both magistrates Mr Calewaert and Mr De Troy, together with their staff, have been interrogated on the matter. Copies of the original prosecution papers have been supplied, but there is doubt over their validity in a court hearing...