Tighter immigration control is needed in Ireland

[fluffybiscuits]

I feel as tho we need tighter immigration control in Ireland. The immigration we experienced from the mid 90s to late 2000s, a decade or so, was on a far heavier scale than that experienced by Britain and France over several decades. For any country it takes time to adjust to these social demographic changes and a decade is not enough time. Bertie Ahern and Fianna Fáil just said come on in whoever you are and wherever you're from. We're already seeing cases of social isolation, racism, welfare abuse and discrimination in Ireland as a result of this heavy immigration, a country which was largely mono cultural until the mid 1990s.

I purpose these measures to limit immigration into Ireland.

Having to possess a fluency in English of at least 60%. There are some non nationals working here with terrible English.

Limit people per country so we don't end up with Polish ghettos or Nigerian ghettos etc. The non national ghettos in France are a big problem in terms of social problems.

Ban on immigration when unemployment is over 8%. The natives deserve first serving on any possible jobs when they are bare and 8% is high enough.

Have non nationals coming into Ireland do a cultural/heritage test on Ireland. 50% to pass. Far too many non nationals just come to Ireland and work and that's it. They have no interest in integrating.

What evidence do we have that there is a ghetto in Ireland? A walk up Talbot St or Moore St throws that idea out of the window pretty quickly. Most schools are now multicultural with children identifying with both Irish culture and the culture of the home country that they were or are raised with hence following a bicultural model as has happened in Singapore. There is no such thing as nationality really at the end of the day , we are involved in the human race of which none of us will ever really win so lets work together. The Robber Caves experiment, which I quoted numerous times on here, completely explains your attitude. When resources are limited we sort ourselves into groups and cliques which is quite sad really (not that you are but the notion is in itself). We can all create an identity and share one too with the world but being a slave to notions of cliqueness is sad, we should be more intellectual and able to think above that.

[Holly]

I'm in favor of requiring Martians to be fluent in Irish if they land in a flying saucer and want to stay here.

[Count Bobulescu]

This link has a graph that compares the immigration policies of selected OECD countries including Ireland.

America's economy would be better off if the U.S. admitted more highly skilled workers, James Surowiecki recently argued in the New Yorker. That got us thinking: How does the U.S. compare to the rest of the developed world when it comes to immigration policy?
The short answer: The U.S. mostly lets in family members of people who are already in this country. Other developed countries focus much more on letting in workers.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/...c=pmb-20120827

[ZeroWedge]

Most schools are now multicultural with children identifying with both Irish culture and the culture of the home country that they were or are raised with hence following a bicultural model as has happened in Singapore.

Youve mentioned Singapore before, and Im sorry to break it to you, but you are completely wrong about immigration into Singapore.

Singapore uses lots of migrant workers to work as domestic servants for the rich Singaporeans. These workers are not given Singaporean citizenship or permanent residency. In fact their visa terms are extremely harsh. For example, immigrant workers who get pregnant are in breach of their visa, and they are deported.

Fluffy, you are living proof that leftwing views are based on ignorance.

[Holly]

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Fluffy, you are living proof that leftwing views are based on ignorance.

It is rude to accuse other members of being ignorant.

[disability student]

[QUOTE=ZeroWedge;271826]Youve mentioned Singapore before, and Im sorry to break it to you, but you are completely wrong about immigration into Singapore.

Singapore uses lots of migrant workers to work as domestic servants for the rich Singaporeans. These workers are not given Singaporean citizenship or permanent residency. In fact their visa terms are extremely harsh. For example, immigrant workers who get pregnant are in breach of their visa, and they are deported.

Fluffy, you are living proof that leftwing views are based on ignorance.[/QUOTE]

LOL

Fluffy is genuine poster as we have to accept people's diverse views as part of tolerance and understanding.

[ZeroWedge]

It is rude to accuse other members of being ignorant.

No it isnt. You are wrong. Please stay on topic.

[Holly]

No it isnt. You are wrong. Please stay on topic.

The topic has nothing to do with other members being ignorant. This thread needs moderation.

[C. Flower]

The topic has nothing to do with other members being ignorant. This thread needs moderation.

You are welcome to press the red button.

[C. Flower]

Youve mentioned Singapore before, and Im sorry to break it to you, but you are completely wrong about immigration into Singapore.

Singapore uses lots of migrant workers to work as domestic servants for the rich Singaporeans. These workers are not given Singaporean citizenship or permanent residency. In fact their visa terms are extremely harsh. For example, immigrant workers who get pregnant are in breach of their visa, and they are deported.

Fluffy, you are living proof that leftwing views are based on ignorance.

If it were the case that a left wing person (or right wing person) was mistaken about immigration policy in a particular country, that would prove nothing in itself.

I've read more posts than I care to think about from right wing people that make wild and inaccurate assertions about immigration policy. That is not proof that all right wing people are ignorant.

I think it would take a properly controlled sample of at least 1,000 people to do that.

[Maximus]

And should people like Enda Kenny, who haven't got a clue and make it up as they go along, be deported ?

Can you give me an example of this?

[Maximus]

If cultural knowledge is what it is about, would Maximus be prepared to go head - to - head in a cultural knock - out competition with a would - be immigrant ? - winner takes the citizenship?

Irrelevant!

I was born on this island to Irish parents so I have a right to this country, citizenship and an Irish passport.

[Maximus]

Implicit in your last sentence is the belief that “integration” is not good, or maybe even bad. Care to elaborate?

The ghetto areas in Dublin that have arisen as a result of heavy immigration like Parnell St. Some of the immigrants wreck havoc around this area and on a Saturday night you are bond to see a fight at the spire between some black Africans. And how about the Roma gypsies we have coming here? Simply to beg, steal and borrow. Now I know natives can be guilty of similar behaviour but when it's people who have the the privilege of coming to this country they are breaking that privilege.

[Maximus]

I say abolish the ghettos of native born Irish welfare scroungers, stir them up with an ethnic mix get a bit of work ethic going among the native Irish ghetto dwellers.

This whole foreign workers are harder workers than Irish workers is a load of rubbish. The foreigners in my workplace, especially the alleged hard working Polish, are out sick far more than the Irish people.

The recent recruits this summer have all been Irish. Good to see them going back in the right direction.

[C. Flower]

The ghetto areas in Dublin that have arisen as a result of heavy immigration like Parnell St. Some of the immigrants wreck havoc around this area and on a Saturday night you are bond to see a fight at the spire between some black Africans. And how about the Roma gypsies we have coming here? Simply to beg, steal and borrow. Now I know natives can be guilty of similar behaviour but when it's people who have the the privilege of coming to this country they are breaking that privilege.

I'm not sure what your point is. Some people behave appallingly on Saturday nights - and not only Irish people. Agreed. Are you saying it's all right for people born here to break the law ?