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    The world is in a state of flux at the moment with the working man coming under more pressure from the establishment to give up more of his wage and people being sidelined as the cogs of the capitalist machine roll on and on. The use of clichés can be forgiven as this is not a metaphor but in a lot of cases this is the actual situation that is taking place. Through years to come and in time that has passed , the more the working man is thrust into the mud, the angrier he becomes but how is this anger to be channelled directly?

    Currently the energy is, rightly or wrongly directed at the state through marches and protests with the most notable being the Occupy Dame Street while garnering a lot of attention did not really achieve much bar a footnote in the Indo and pictures of protestors rolling out the same old clichés when questioned by journalists what they are about (it was akin to them having a book of stock answers that they would answer out of, heaven forbid they should think for themselves in a hive entity). Most weeks Richie Boyd Barrett can be seen marching in the name of something or other and Ming can be seen tending to the needs of the bog cutters but is this revolution? Are these going to make a difference? From memory the only marches that stand out as being successful in Ireland is the march the pensioners took for medical cards. These marches only work when a whole community gets together (as did the African American community in America to fight for rights ). On the other flip side of the coin is those whom call for a “bloody revolution”, a revolution of guns and for the blood of others to be spilled all in the name of achieving a goal of a socialist state. There must be a happy medium surely between these two?

    Marching can only achieve so much, the net effect of marching as can be seen from the Occupy Dame St is that people are only tolerant of so much and the malaise of indifference can settle so much so , that really in the end no one cares. On the other hand a bloody revolution effects change quick but inflicts so much suffering and torture on the innocent, we have to question, is it really worth it? Is it worth spilling the blood of those whom we are intending to protect? This begs the question, how is a modern revolution going to work and if so how can it be done?

    Rosa Luxembourg discussed the issue years ago and called for a revolution lead by the people with no leadership but that it must be a proletarian revolution. This revolution must be led by the people and assume a role of spontenaiety , catch the bourgoise and the capitalists by surprise. This can be explained in a modern context through the use of the internet. The internet acts as a tool in real time allowing people to work, in a lot of cases anonymously and in other cases not, to organise and create everything from a flash mob to hooligans and everything on the spectrum in between. The internet provides a powerful tool for creating a revolution by which we can effect change in this country. A mass movement by people to change the indifference that is suffered by others could very well move the proletariat forward. The government sees how unpopular they are and they themselves lose confidence and therefore lose the will to govern and call an election. Strikes can be called nationwide in order to get better working conditions for workers whom are struggling after numerous attacks on them by the current government.

    A revolution is needed but it needs to be modern, it needs to effect change and will only work with the people on board.

    http://www.socialistaction.org/revolution.htm

    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/89581
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxemburgism
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletarian_revolution
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    If a revolution were to happen in Ireland, what would be the nature of the revolution?
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    This revolution must be led by the people and assume a role of spontenaiety , catch the bourgoise and the capitalists by surprise.
    The revolution will not be webinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    If a revolution were to happen in Ireland, what would be the nature of the revolution?
    The last one led to civil war and much killing followed FF and FG dominating politics for the guts of a century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The revolution will not be webinated.
    It will start off on that level though. Everyone from football hooligans to militia to students to rebels and everyone on a wider spectrum has used the web to meet like minded people. People have not been as networked as they have been at the moment. Also remember part of it may be actual attacks through the web like the Stuxnet virus. The Arab spring was based on a social networking sites.

    http://socialcapital.wordpress.com/2...isia-uprising/


    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    The last one led to civil war and much killing followed FF and FG dominating politics for the guts of a century.

    The next revolution need not have one drop of blood spilled. Anarchopacifism ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    The next revolution need not have one drop of blood spilled. Anarchopacifism ?
    If the revolution doesn't allow me give Boyd-Barrett a dig I'm not playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    If the revolution doesn't allow me give Boyd-Barrett a dig I'm not playing.
    He will be too busy marching from O Connell St to the Dail in aid of Grannies budgies who didnt get a grant for seed or something like that ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The revolution will not be webinated.
    Clarification please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    Clarification please?
    through the web
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    Default Maidir Le: Revolution in a Modern Context

    Thanks, but webinated? Still not clear.

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    That was my interpretation of it. Cyberwarfare or something like that perhaps ?
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    Default Re: Maidir Le: Revolution in a Modern Context

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    Thanks, but webinated? Still not clear.
    It was a bit late.

    The OP suggested that perhaps a modern revolution could rely on the internet to effect change.

    The internet provides a powerful tool for creating a revolution by which we can effect change in this country. A mass movement by people to change the indifference that is suffered by others could very well move the proletariat forward.
    I liked this thought,
    This revolution must be led by the people and assume a role of spontenaiety, catch the bourgoise and the capitalists by surprise
    but the internet can't replace face to face connections, and certainly can't be relied on if any surprise is to be hoped for.

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    Default Re: Maidir Le: Revolution in a Modern Context

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    It was a bit late.

    The OP suggested that perhaps a modern revolution could rely on the internet to effect change.



    I liked this thought, but the internet can't replace face to face connections, and certainly can't be relied on if any surprise is to be hoped for.
    Through the dark web as they call it. Its an area of the net inhabited mostly by cretins and vile idiots but could also be used if a revolution was to be changed. Its a section of the web that is basically off the grid , there was alot of Wikileaks cables floating about on it before they were released from my understanding
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