Ending Prostitution in Ireland

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Ruhama have been getting public money to push for legislative changes which will do nothing to make prostitution safer for those who work in it.

There is only one way to adequately regulate any industry and that is to legalise it. If legalisation is not on the agenda then it will remain where it is most dangerous- in the shadows.

Ruhama are a bit like the hospital ethics boards- which are also heavily influenced by catholic church mores- ostensibly set up to look like a neutral actor in these debates but adhering to catholic notions of combatting 'sin' hidden in its dogma.

[Richardbouvet]

Can anyone please:

1. Give us any evidence that Ruhama are on the far-right.

2. Say if you think the "Turn off the red light" idea is a far-right idea and if so, why,

and

3. Explain why a large range of influential liberal-establishment bodies like those listed above would let themselves be enlisted by the far-right in pursuance of a far-right agenda.


Thank you.

[ZeroWedge]

1. Give us any evidence that Ruhama are on the far-right.

They are far-right because they are based in All Hallows College, where there is a mass grave of dead children who's bodies were flung into a pit, when the catholic church used them up.

[ZeroWedge]

3. Explain why a large range of influential liberal-establishment bodies like those listed above would let themselves be enlisted by the far-right in pursuance of a far-right agenda.

The anti-prostitution campaigns have always been a weird alliance of catholics and leftwingers.

[Richardbouvet]

I am getting a bit annoyed by some of the ignorant bile I am seeing on this thread, and frankly, that is not a way I like to feel on a Friday afternoon.

[ZeroWedge]

I am getting a bit annoyed by some of the ignorant bile I am seeing on this thread, and frankly, that is not a way I like to feel on a Friday afternoon.

"A bit annoyed" that you were proven wrong.

"Ignorant bile" is how you describe facts that you have no counter argument for.

Old people like you have had your day. Your time is over. The catholic cult is finished.

[Spectabilis]

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Well old men seem to be the ones against, when you look at what was posted on the Swedish research:

"The young adult population (18-38), particularly women, were most in favor of the law."

[Dr. FIVE]

Wendy Lyon does some good writing with none of the emotive triggers you usually find in this issue

http://feministire.wordpress.com/

[ZeroWedge]

If men are criminalised for purchasing sex, then feminists should be criminalised for purchasing vibrators.

Consenting adults have an inalienable human right to engage in sex with each other. And that includes exchanging sex for money, housing, cars and other goods or services typically exchanged in a marriage.

[Frankie Lee]

Worth reading the sex workers side of the argument.
http://www.turnoffthebluelight.ie/

Interesting to not that it is already illegal to buy sex from someone who has been trafficked (Criminal Justice (Human Trafficking) Act 2008), so why should there be any need for further legislation?

[Richardbouvet]

I didn't realise that prostitution was a human right. Interesting.

Also, I can't imagine why such a broad swathe of organisations would call for legislation that has already been passed.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

The infuriating thing is that basically prostitution is only a recurring 'issue' because those who disapprove of it are forever seeking ways to disappear it. Currently their theme is to proceed on the basis that all prostitutes are trafficked or coerced in prostitution.

If they really wanted to tackle trafficking or coercion they would be in favour of legalisation. That way at least you'd have a better relationship between prostitutes and the Gardai and they could at least swap decent intelligence about any signs of trafficking or coercion.

Where a prostitute may be supporting a drug habit if at least prostitution were legal he or she could at least be in closer proximity to support services or rehabilitation opportunities if he or she didn't have to operate in the half-light perennially on the watchout for Gardai or some other apparatus of the state which is charged with arresting them.

The truth about Ruhama and the periodic attempt to eliminate prostitution by various attempts at criminalisation is that (a) it won't work because it never has and (b) these are simply attempts to reinforce disapproval of prostitution by working through the criminal statute book and are not directed at 'saving' prostitutes but simply reinforcing the notion of 'sin' or 'vice'.

Utterly pointless.

[Slim Buddha]

The infuriating thing is that basically prostitution is only a recurring 'issue' because those who disapprove of it are forever seeking ways to disappear it. Currently their theme is to proceed on the basis that all prostitutes are trafficked or coerced in prostitution.

If they really wanted to tackle trafficking or coercion they would be in favour of legalisation. That way at least you'd have a better relationship between prostitutes and the Gardai and they could at least swap decent intelligence about any signs of trafficking or coercion.

Where a prostitute may be supporting a drug habit if at least prostitution were legal he or she could at least be in closer proximity to support services or rehabilitation opportunities if he or she didn't have to operate in the half-light perennially on the watchout for Gardai or some other apparatus of the state which is charged with arresting them.

The truth about Ruhama and the periodic attempt to eliminate prostitution by various attempts at criminalisation is that (a) it won't work because it never has and (b) these are simply attempts to reinforce disapproval of prostitution by working through the criminal statute book and are not directed at 'saving' prostitutes but simply reinforcing the notion of 'sin' or 'vice'.

Utterly pointless.

+1. There is ignorance and dangerous ignorance. I have no objection to individuals holding ignorant, and stupid opinions but when they organise to change statute law to enshrine this ignorance as the national position on a moral issue, then we have a serious problem. And in Ireland we have some of the most ignorant morons on the planet.

[Stanley 2]

They are far-right because they are based in All Hallows College, where there is a mass grave of dead children who's bodies were flung into a pit, when the catholic church used them up.

Not quite the subject of this thread but wasn't Bertie's father, ex Old IRA man, the flippin gardener at All Hallows and Bertie has remarked some of the best days/memories are of All Hallows, he even named Mick's house after it, also seem to think around Mahon Tribunal he used to go there to do a bit of gardening to hide away from the posse of journalists.

Maybe they should have him in for questioning.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

If you want to ban prostitution then start at the Oireachtas where their petty lordships can be found routinely for hire.

Or over at the Four Courts Bar and Grill where the elderly girls will even dress up for you Brian Lenihan used to be a private dancer for wealth creators.