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    Fascinating launch speech by Michael Noonan - in full


    Launch of €10 Silver Proof and €20 Gold Proof Collector Coins – 90th Anniversary of the Death of Michael Collins



    Ladies and gentleman, it gives me great pleasure to launch the €10 Silver Proof and €20 Gold Proof Collector coins to mark the 90th anniversary of the death of Michael Collins.

    I will begin by thanking the Minister for Justice, Equality and Defence, Mr Alan Shatter, and the Army authorities for their kindness in allowing us the use of Collins Barracks for the launch of these Proof Collector coins. The venue is very fitting given these barracks are named after the man we are honouring with the release of these coins.

    I should also say a special word of welcome to the members of the Collins family, many of whom are here today.

    Proof Coins
    These €10 Silver Proof and €20 Gold Proof Collector coins are to mark the 90th anniversary of the death of Michael Collins and feature a portrait of Michael Collins by renowned Irish artist Thomas Ryan, who is with us here today. As is traditional, the national side of the coin depicts the 14 string Irish harp modeled on the Brian Boru harp in Trinity College.

    I am assured by numismatists that demand for these coins, both individually and together, will be very strong. The Central Bank has set the issue limit on the €10 Silver Proof Coin at 8,000 pieces, the issue limit on the €20 Gold Proof Coin at 12,000 pieces, and the two coin set at a 6,000 issue limit.

    Commemorations of Critical Events
    The issuance of these coins should be seen as part of the forthcoming decade of commemorations of critical events in our history. I was particularly conscious of this decade of events on 6th December last when making my first Budget speech in Dáil Eireann, which coincided with the 90th anniversary of the signing of the Anglo Irish Treaty.

    The upcoming commemorations offer an opportunity for us to recognise the great sacrifices that so many people made in the creation of this State. They also offer us the opportunity to think about the Ireland that we want to create for the next 100 years. I think the Government’s Constitutional convention has a very important role to play in this process. I hope the members of the Constitutional convention will reflect on the discussions that will surround the many upcoming commemorations.

    Michael Collins
    During the many difficult decisions in my 18 months as Minister for Finance, I am particularly conscious of the difficulties faced by Michael Collins and Eoin MacNeill as the first two Ministers for Finance. Those of us today who sometimes feel that the task facing us may be insurmountable should remember the challenges faced by those who founded the institutions of this State.

    The recent return of the State to the bond markets brought to mind the challenges faced by Michael Collins as Minister for Finance in the first Dáil when raising a national loan to fund the new State. John Considine of UCC has described the difficulties he encountered. Collins set about the logistical task of organising the loan in circumstances that were far from conducive to success. As 1919 progressed, the British authorities took ever greater steps to suppress nationalist activities. They stopped many newspaper advertisements of the loan. Raids were made on the locations where the provisional government was thought to be operating.

    Announcements of public meetings to promote or sell the bonds resulted in the arrest of the organisers. People were arrested for possession of the bonds or the prospectus. This puts the difficulties faced by the NTMA into perspective!

    To compound the problems Collins faced, the Dáil was declared an illegal organisation on September 12th 1919. Frank O'Connor captures Collins's application "It is characteristic of Collins that from the beginning he does not seem to have thought at all of the impossibilities latent in the scheme; to him it meant exactly what it said….”.

    This characteristic is a very important one to keep in mind when facing our current difficulties. We must break down the massive problems that we face into smaller more manageable problems. I have spoken of this approach in last year’s budget. It can be daunting looking at measures to stimulate growth in the overall economy but when we break the economy into its key sectors it is far easier.

    In this mind, I am reminded what my immediate predecessor, the late Brian Lenihan, said in his speech at Béal na Bláth in 2010: the spirit of Collins is the spirit of our nation, and it should continue to inspire all of us in public life irrespective of party or tradition. It was in that spirit that I asked the Central Bank to arrange for the issue of special commemorative €10 silver and €20 gold coins which are being launched today.

    It would be remiss of me if I didn’t take this opportunity to thank the designer of this collector coin, renowned Irish artist Tom Ryan, who we are delighted could join us here today. The Central Bank has a long association with Tom, who has designed a number of outstanding coins in the past.

    I don’t think I can do any better than to quote Tom’s words from the Central Bank’s brochure: “If the actions of persons become legendary, the aspect of their identities becomes that of a popular image, it becomes an Icon.” Michael Collins has indeed taken on the status of an Icon – all the more fitting then that we launch these special collector silver and gold coins today to mark the 90th anniversary of his death.

    I would like to conclude by thanking the Central Bank Collector Coin Unit for all of their work in producing these proof coins. Finally, I would like to thank the Army, particularly Lt. Colonel John O'Neill and his officers for organizing such a wonderful venue, occasion and lunch for the launching of these coins. I understand this is Lt. Colonel O'Neill's final duties before his retirement from the Army so I would like to thank him for his 35 years of service to his country and wish him the best in his retirement.

    Thank you Ladies and Gentleman for your kind attention.


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    What next? The Eoin O'Duffy €50 gold coin (with lapis lazuli inset for his shirt)?
    "It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Ryder View Post
    What next? The Eoin O'Duffy €50 gold coin (with lapis lazuli inset for his shirt)?
    I am particularly conscious of the difficulties faced by Michael Collins and Eoin MacNeill as the first two Ministers for Finance.
    O'Neill, Lenihan and Noonan himself ?

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    There were questions asked of a number of EU governments in the last couple of months as to whether they had contingency plans in place for the demise of the Euro. Don't tell me The Collins is ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    There were questions asked of a number of EU governments in the last couple of months as to whether they had contingency plans in place for the demise of the Euro. Don't tell me The Collins is ours.
    It's probably the nearest thing we have to one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The upcoming commemorations offer an opportunity for us to recognise the great sacrifices that so many people made in the creation of this State.
    .

    Dublin inner city teenagers (and members of Na Fianna Éireann) Sean Cole (17) and Alfie Colley (18), abducted and summarily executed by Free State soldiers in a field in Whitehall in retribution for the death of Collins (who was killed in a gun battle between armed men). August 25th 1922.

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    In this mind, I am reminded what my immediate predecessor, the late Brian Lenihan, said in his speech at Béal na Bláth in 2010: the spirit of Collins is the spirit of our nation....
    Oh God. The more things change the more they stay the same.

    Wasn't Charles Haughey the spirit of the nation? I can recall being assured it was the case.

    http://openlibrary.org/books/OL24426..._of_the_nation
    A time between ashes and roses is coming
    When everything shall be extinguished
    When everything shall begin

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    And while we are at it lets not forget these teenagers who gave their lives ...

    The bullet-riddled corpses of three teenaged Na Fianna scouts Edwin Hughes (17), Joseph Rogers (16) and Brendan Holohan (16) were found at The Quarries, Naas Road, Clondalkin, on 28 November 1922.[3] They were all from Drumcondra area and had been putting up republican posters in the Clonliffe Road district. They were arrested by high-ranking Free State officer, Charlie Dalton (younger brother of Emmet Dalton). The scouts were brought for interrogation to Griffith Barracks, where Free State Army Intelligence had their HQ. That was the last time that they were seen alive.
    A time between ashes and roses is coming
    When everything shall be extinguished
    When everything shall begin

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    Queues of people down the street waiting to buy them this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Queues of people down the street waiting to buy them this morning.
    I never doubted that the Blueshirts had money.
    A time between ashes and roses is coming
    When everything shall be extinguished
    When everything shall begin

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    micheal collins made one very big mistake - he sprung Dev from Jail in england, if he didnt do that, what might have been ??????????????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by culmore View Post
    micheal collins made one very big mistake
    He didn't keep his head down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culmore View Post
    what might have been ??????????????????????
    accurate history books?

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    Michael Collins remains a divisive figure since his signing of the treaty and the ensuing civil war. He is considered a founding father of Fine Gwael who will promote his memory as they are now in power and seek to keep alive the division of the civil war which is their raison d'etre.
    Minting this coin is the same old fashioned fabricated hero worship that does nothing for the people of modern Ireland.

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    Collins is well on record for his disgust of the political middlemen attitude of some of his peers. He wasn't a socialist but he was far from what FG will make him out to be. Tom Barry said he was the only man that could bridge the two sides-the establishment and the progressives within the populace-together and that without him the atrocities that followed were inevitable. Collins was possibly the only one in govt. who didn't want to kill teenagers. He also demanded from Craig 3 of the 6 counties of the North, supplied the Northern IRA with arms and Barry felt he would have bid his time for anotehr go at Britain.

    In effect the enigma of the man forgets the fact that he wasn't your typical gombeen and probably would have been if not radical, less conservative than the counter revolutionaries who followed him. personally I would wonder if the same atrocities were permitted before Collins death amongst the free state forces. Look at the background too. He wasn't exactly from a wealthy landowning class like much of the pro Treaty SF were, most notably griffith, cosgrave etc. spending much of his life before the Rising doing clerical jobs and playing Football in London.

    For anyone wanting to know his unusual mentality I'd look up his quote on 'the singing birds' of Downing street and how much he hated being a politician as opposed to an underground revolutionary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    I never doubted that the Blueshirts had money.
    Speculating to accumulate Sam.

    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Michael-Colli...#ht_500wt_1156

    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Michael-Colli...#ht_500wt_1204

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