Red C poll - Update - Labour Shifts Even Further To the Right

[Ah Well]

Kenny to cute for that, he wants to be Taoseach for as long as possible

A swansong in every sense

The prospect of anything better long term, down the line, would tend one to



Politically, this country has as much hope of success as the American Samoan Football Team

[Apjp]

Well said.
The same feckers that wrecked the Worker's Party are going to do the same to the Labour Party.
Sad. Just sad.

Not Really. Labour were always pro-establishment and deferent since they supported the treaty i.e. in the history of the state. Nothing sad about a necessary 2nd politically cleansing death to cut short the permanent troika.

[Apjp]

I've never been too bothered about the notion of the Irish Labour Party ever fighting any working class corner. Not since I spotted their National Policy Co-ordinator and his money making schemes and his tongue-up-the-arse European Unionism a few years back.

The same man has Bertie Ahern and John Bruton on his 'Comite d'Honneur' (if you please) on his personal lobby group which charges much moolah to various Irish civil service departments for annual subscriptions.

The same chap is sniffing like a dog around various alternative energy companies and I'm fairly sure he has about as much interest in green energy as Bertie Ahern has in nice views across forests.

The last knockings of the Irish Labour Party disappeared around the same time as the UK Labour Party signed up to the 'Third Way' and Peter Mandelson.

There were the tax protests in the 80's and that was the last jerk of the Labour Party body in the Irish snow.

Course they are a fraud. The head is rotten but the tail hasn't got the smell yet.

Who is this coordinator please? Names are important to remember in the eventual pitch forking

[antiestablishmentarian]

Not really sure the idea of a snap election where FG would use private sectir resentment to whip Labour and win a majority is much of a runner. FG have been 19 months in power and the stench of cronyism, mé féinism and sheer disregard for the rules and laws of the country which they ignore when it suits meand many people view FG as a bastard offshoot of FF, and they will lose big in the next election on their own (lack of) merit.

[Slim Buddha]

Not really sure the idea of a snap election where FG would use private sectir resentment to whip Labour and win a majority is much of a runner. FG have been 19 months in power and the stench of cronyism, mé féinism and sheer disregard for the rules and laws of the country which they ignore when it suits meand many people view FG as a bastard offshoot of FF, and they will lose big in the next election on their own (lack of) merit.

I agree with you, FG are a bastard offshoot of FF and alll that is missing is the actual criminal intent to go along with the myriad of other ugly characteristics which you mentioned.

But if they are to lose out big-time in the next election, who benefits?

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Who is this coordinator please? Names are important to remember in the eventual pitch forking

Brendan Halligan.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

I understand it seems counterintuitive why FG would go for a General Election or contrive circumstances which might lead to one. Other than long term party strategy. They face a long slow descent into the same contempt into which the last coalition government was held and the only thing that is in their power is the possibility of a Greek style panic button on austerity and the notion that there is no one else fit to govern. The only ones who can upset that are possibly Sinn Fein and they won't want to wait until Sinn Fein are in a strong position emerging through the carcass of Labour on the heritage left.

Timing is all FG have got- they haven't in reality got any room for maneouver on the financial policy side as patronage is restricted by the Troika.FG will attempt to avoid ending up like Fianna Fail I would say and that makes the mandate and timing of it crucial.

Seems a bit daft I know but other than managing day to day that is the only deeper political concern I can see for FG.

[Slim Buddha]

[QUOTE=Captain Con O'Sullivan;267295]I understand it seems counterintuitive why FG would go for a General Election or contrive circumstances which might lead to one. Other than long term party strategy. They face a long slow descent into the same contempt into which the last coalition government was held and the only thing that is in their power is the possibility of a Greek style panic button on austerity and the notion that there is no one else fit to govern. The only ones who can upset that are possibly Sinn Fein and they won't want to wait until Sinn Fein are in a strong position emerging through the carcass of Labour on the heritage left.

Timing is all FG have got- they haven't in reality got any room for maneouver on the financial policy side as patronage is restricted by the Troika.FG will attempt to avoid ending up like Fianna Fail I would say and that makes the mandate and timing of it crucial.

Seems a bit daft I know but other than managing day to day that is the only deeper political concern I can see for FG.[/QUOTE]

It is the only concern of FG, political or otherwise. They cannot do anything about the economy, even if they knew what to do. But they are shamatuers, and are clueless in any case. Everything else is optics, designed to leave Labour with the shitty end of the stick. The only concern is the next election and how many of their arses will be easing back into seats in the chamber. Nothing else matters because a) they rarely understand it, if it is economics and b) they can do nothing about it.

In Ireland, getting re-elected is one of the few things a TD understands. Hence the "clinics", the parish pumpism, the endless letters to government departments on behalf of constituents for cattle headage grants, medical cards, disability benefit and so on. It is, in many cases, the only thing comprehensible to many of them. To be highly well paid messenger boys going through the motions to give the impression to their constituents that he cares, he really cares.

RISIBLE.

[evil_g]

Why are people assuming that this poll is being put in the field [/West Wing] by a political party?

Are we not due a quarterly Red C poll in one of the newspapers?

[disability student]

General elections at this time of year -?? doubt that- they have the largest majority in the dail as i can't see that they would jettison it.

Can't see really especially Gimme more, whose lust for power stinks. FG are laughing that most of the focus is on Labour for all the troubles that the govt have absorbed all since they entered into government. It smells of their media strategy conserving their dail seats while at the same time, other media focused on Labour.

FG were clever to pass the buck of budget cuts to Howlin instead of Noonan re last budget. Next Dec would be the harshest budget ever as it will define FG/Lab in some ways.

Lab don't have a conscience ... not one so unlike the greens. It's all about their ilk after a lifetime of various different political parties (DL, SP at al). Lab's core principles are gone after these people (careerists) blended in. Once they grabbed it- re power and never let it go until GE.

It's there for them to loot the dail in the form of various entitlements such as expenses, pensions (they don't have to deduct out of their salary as we do in the form of wage/salary), 2nd home mortgage interest, office expenses. The state pay their pensions on top of their salary, which is a disgrace.

LABOUR- Lifestyle About Bitching Others Ursel Frankfurt's way.

[Dr. FIVE]

No poll in the SBP tomorrow or any in August says Cliff Taylor

[disability student]

No poll in the SBP tomorrow or any in August says Cliff Taylor

It's clear that Red c wasn't contracted by SBP ? Better ask Red c to see who has hired them re poll.

[Greengoddess]

It's clear that Red c wasn't contracted by SBP ? Better ask Red c to see who has hired them re poll.

They won't tell, of course. It has to be a person/party who can afford one and that must be a political party. The only reason I can think for doing one now would be to compare the result to one after the budget.

[C. Flower]

It is the voter perception of a bunch of hasbeens and neverweres hanging in there for unearned pensions. That's an absolutely toxic thing for the floating vote and voters in general when pensions in the real world are being cut. The Charvet Charlie effect of a bunch of politicians lecturing people about saving money while getting large salaries will damage Labour.

Again in terms of floating voters, many of whom may have once voted FF, the DL/Stickie control of the Labour party may shift them towards Sinn Fein as relative poverty radicalises what was once a Middle Class demographic. If a centre right party emerges, then things will really get messy.

The biggest threat that Labour faces is not its own true believer vote imploding but rather the floating vote moving away. The conditions are forming for a genuine Left/Right split at the next GE. There's hardly any difference, from a floating voter point of view, between Fine Gael and Labour now.

Regards...jmcc

Are you suggesting that Sinn Fein will emerge as a Centre Right party?
Surely not until after the GE and entering government ?
And even then would not be perceived as such?

[C. Flower]

They won't tell, of course. It has to be a person/party who can afford one and that must be a political party. The only reason I can think for doing one now would be to compare the result to one after the budget.

Probably a political party. But I can think of a lot of different groups and entities who would like to know how Ireland would vote next time around.

Were you just asked about a GE vote, or were there any supplementary questions ?