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    Discussing the cost of pharmaceuticals (generic and branded) in Ireland vs. the rest of Europe.

    Suggested that it would not be legal under EU State rules for Ireland to subsidise pharma jobs, so instead we allow pharma firms charge more for their product.
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    I have heard that Irish pharmacists are buying abroad cheap and selling at our high prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    The HEALTH (PRICING AND SUPPLY OF MEDICAL GOODS)
    BILL 2012 went through the Senate today

    The Bill will allow pharmacies to substitute a generic, if it goes through the Dail

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/b...312/b6312s.pdf
    This is going ahead

    Pharmacists will be obliged to give patients the cheapest available medicines under new legislation aimed at saving millions on the State's drug bill.

    Irish Medicines Board Chief Executive Dr Pat O'Mahony said that patients will be able to avail of cheaper generic drugs, even if their doctors prescribe branded products.

    Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Dr O'Mahony said the first list of drugs which may be substituted will be supplied to pharmacists within the next two months.
    At present pharmacists are legally obliged to dispense the exact medicine prescribed by doctors.

    But under the new legislation, they will be obliged to offer patients the cheapest version of a drug, even if a doctor has prescribed a well-known branded medicine.

    However, patients will still have the option of buying the more expensive branded alternative and paying the difference.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0606/454861-generic-drugs/

    This will be almost identical to the situation in France, where Generic drugs are very common.
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    Pfizer slashing the price it charges for Lipitor in Ireland

    Irish-based pharmaceutical giant Pfizer plans to cut the price of their popular cholesterol drug Lipitor by 60pc.

    Pfizer said it has made the decision so that it remains competitive in the marketplace in light of this new legislation.

    In an emailed statement, Pfizer said this is good news for patients and Irish state in terms of cost savings.

    Even cut by 60pc, Lipitor will still be more expensive than the cheapest generic version on the market. Competitor Simvastatin costs €5.92 per 40mg dose.
    http://www.independent.ie/business/p...-29485894.html
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    Generics are also the norm in Spain and have been for at least 7 years. It seems brussels was in no rush to push through any directives to even this out around the EU and of course we all know that successive Irish governments have been in thrall to the pharmaceuticals.

    Does anyone have any info on the network of pharma companies' boards and polititians or their familiy? That may be the root of the corruption. Or maybe just good old fashioned bribery??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogiol View Post
    Generics are also the norm in Spain and have been for at least 7 years. It seems brussels was in no rush to push through any directives to even this out around the EU and of course we all know that successive Irish governments have been in thrall to the pharmaceuticals.

    Does anyone have any info on the network of pharma companies' boards and polititians or their familiy? That may be the root of the corruption. Or maybe just good old fashioned bribery??
    Also a jobs issue

    There is not 1 Irish establishment politician who would endanger jobs in their Constituency if it meant saving the State millions

    Saving the State money does not ensure re-election or the continuation of a political dynasty. Jobs does
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Also a jobs issue

    There is not 1 Irish establishment politician who would endanger jobs in their Constituency if it meant saving the State millions

    Saving the State money does not ensure re-election or the continuation of a political dynasty. Jobs does
    So you reckon its all about the jobs... mmm, obviously a huge factor.

    We desperatly need reform of the electoral system to get rid of parish pump politics. It drags up back so much as a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogiol View Post
    Generics are also the norm in Spain and have been for at least 7 years. It seems brussels was in no rush to push through any directives to even this out around the EU and of course we all know that successive Irish governments have been in thrall to the pharmaceuticals.

    Does anyone have any info on the network of pharma companies' boards and polititians or their familiy? That may be the root of the corruption. Or maybe just good old fashioned bribery??
    All the recipes for an exciting PW project, drawing up the links and seeing who is linked to who. Linkedin is a great resource for looking at links and corporate informaiton

    A side note, a lot of people buy antibiotics in Spain, not an incredibly bright idea as they use them on colds, antibioitcs dont deal with viruses...
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    As I've noted before, screwed up drug pricing is not confined to Ireland. This PBS Newshour piece highlights a 30 day supply of a generic breast cancer drug costing between $11.04 and $459.


    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/healt...ics_11-02.html
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    In tomorrow's SBP

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    Unlikely to ever see the widespread use of generics if practices like this continue

    DRUG companies are paying the wages of two senior doctors in a public hospital, the Sunday Independent has learned.

    DRUG companies are paying the wages of two senior doctors in a public hospital, the Sunday Independent has learned.

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/h...-30916060.html
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    Finding out why Irish drug prices are so much higher than others has been presented as akin to finding the holy grail - impossible, mysterious. obscure.

    Bingo - I've just found this Norwegian study in English.

    Norway has the cheapest drugs, Ireland the most expensive.

    The reasons are that Ireland has no price caps/controls (unlike most countries) and Irish pharmacy profit margins are far the highest.

    http://www.vfa.de/embed/studie-arzne...svergleich-snf

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    Antibiotic consumption has been all wrong from the start, apparently. We should be taking as little as needed to get well, not "finishing the course" no matter what. Too much apparently increases immunity in bacteria on the skin.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2...tibiotics-say/

    Not sure if I posted this here previously, but I read up on dosage of anti-biotics some time back and apparently it it all on a suck it and see basis, and no systematic research has been done (age, body weight, general health etc.) Doctors just guesstimate. Most things get better in three weeks without antibiotics anyway.

    Which makes the whole business of taking the whole prescription even more dubious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Antibiotic consumption has been all wrong from the start, apparently. We should be taking as little as needed to get well, not "finishing the course" no matter what. Too much apparently increases immunity in bacteria on the skin.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2...tibiotics-say/

    Not sure if I posted this here previously, but I read up on dosage of anti-biotics some time back and apparently it it all on a suck it and see basis, and no systematic research has been done (age, body weight, general health etc.) Doctors just guesstimate. Most things get better in three weeks without antibiotics anyway.

    Which makes the whole business of taking the whole prescription even more dubious.
    Eh, that's probably okay for a healthy person with something like the flu, A lung or tissue infection in someone with a weak system needs to be whacked on the head ASAP.

    Of course that doesn't justify shovelling antibiotics into intensively farmed animals or dishing them out willy-nilly to someone with a sniffle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Eh, that's probably okay for a healthy person with something like the flu, A lung or tissue infection in someone with a weak system needs to be whacked on the head ASAP.

    Of course that doesn't justify shovelling antibiotics into intensively farmed animals or dishing them out willy-nilly to someone with a sniffle.
    Completely agree. They should be kept for vulnerable people seriously at risk from a bacterial infection.
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