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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    They must be worried that there would have been no room for their drugs on the market. Doctors must also be encouraged to give out generic drugs a lot more.
    The Bill going through the Dail is a substitution bill. It will allow pharmacies to give a generic instead of a "brand name" drug.

    According to RTE 6.1 last night, if the customer wishes to choose the brand name drug, they will have to pay the difference

    Not sure if RTE had all their i's dotted and t's crossed but that is what they reported
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    The Bill going through the Dail is a substitution bill. It will allow pharmacies to give a generic instead of a "brand name" drug.

    According to RTE 6.1 last night, if the customer wishes to choose the brand name drug, they will have to pay the difference

    Not sure if RTE had all their i's dotted and t's crossed but that is what they reported
    Can pharmacists not give out generics as it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Can pharmacists not give out generics as it is?
    At present they have to dispense exactly what's on the prescription.

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    A friend of mine went to chemist per doctor's prescription. Chemist said the price was 55€ so we went away to do some digging on HSE's price for that drug. HSE have a pricing list in agreement with Chemists union as it showed €34 in price for that same drug. The chemist marked up a huge margin of €21 per drug product in terms of profits. It's a disgrace that the chemists are allowed to get away with it. He shopped around more than ever since that discovery and more price conscious.

    Link:http://www.sspcrs.ie/druglist/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    At present they have to dispense exactly what's on the prescription.
    Is that because of some deal with the pharma companies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Is that because of some deal with the pharma companies?
    No, it was to avoid having doctors second guessed in respect of what treatment was appropriate for patients.

    With modern communications there isn't so great a worry about exact substitution as might have existed in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Short answer is Mary Harney, probably.

    Part of a wider problem with multinational retail jacking up prices here and nowhere else
    Harney? Quelle surprise?

    Mind you she did say to shop around. If you can, shop around Northern Ireland, Spain, Belgium and places where "Fleece the customer" is not a retail imperative as it is in Ireland,

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    Merck have stopped supplying one cancer drug to Greek hospitals as they have not been paid. Greek patients are being told to go and buy their own drugs at pharmacies, and prices at pharmacies are falling. Cancer drugs however are notoriously very expensive and some patients are not getting treatment, unless they can find a very charitable doctor.

    This article says that Ireland is one of the countries getting discounts on drug prices.

    Is this true, and are they being passed on to patients?

    I recently heard it said on radio that some pharmacists bypass the expensive Irish price regime by buying outside Ireland, and that there is nothing to stop them doing this. Again, are they passing the price reduction on to patients ?

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    It seems that the government tried to stop buying all new types of pharmaceutical drug - I don't recall the public announcement of that - but were lobbied down by the pharma industry.

    Kenny was heavily lobbied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    It seems that the government tried to stop buying all new types of pharmaceutical drug - I don't recall the public announcement of that - but were lobbied down by the pharma industry.

    Kenny was heavily lobbied.
    Worth reading -

    Taoiseach Enda Kenny was warned the decision could have implications for 25,000 jobs and future investment.
    It has also emerged that the price paid for drugs in Ireland is of critical importance for pharmaceutical companies as it influences the price in many other countries, both within and outside the EU, as part of an international price-referencing effect.
    As a condition of the agreement the HSE was obliged to add to its list of items for reimbursement “drugs which in the normal course of events would have been approved under its schemes”.

    In effect, this meant that the HSE could not refuse to pay for drugs for financial reasons.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...breaking5.html
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    Taoiseach Enda Kenny was warned the decision could have implications for 25,000 jobs and future investment.
    It sounded that he meant re new patents/trademarks which could be related to jobs. It doesn't address the generic issue (vital for people in recessionary times) which is the cheapest form to buy medication when patents/trademarks expires.

    It has also emerged that the price paid for drugs in Ireland is of critical importance for pharmaceutical companies as it influences the price in many other countries, both within and outside the EU, as part of an international price-referencing effect.
    It sounded like transfer pricing, which is vital for companies especially MNC to avoid taxes here and abroad.

    As a condition of the agreement the HSE was obliged to add to its list of items for reimbursement “drugs which in the normal course of events would have been approved under its schemes”.

    In effect, this meant that the HSE could not refuse to pay for drugs for financial reasons.
    In practice, HSE pays out the cheapest when they had sorted out their agreement with IPHA re pricing list of various medications.

    However there is a distinction when you are on medical card or private- HSE pays out cheapest ones solely on medical cards.

    If you aren't on medical card, the chemist/s shop will charge a huge mark up.... for instance HSE pays out a typical medication for €33 to any chemist shop per IPHA agreement, Chemist would then charge you something like €54 for same type of medication for private patients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    It seems that the government tried to stop buying all new types of pharmaceutical drug - I don't recall the public announcement of that - but were lobbied down by the pharma industry.

    Kenny was heavily lobbied.
    Kenny and Jimmy

    Both Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Minister for Health James Reilly met representatives of international pharmaceutical firms based here last summer, their desk diaries show.

    The Irish Times reported yesterday that the Government was subjected to an intense lobbying campaign by the pharmaceutical industry in February and March over a HSE decision not to approve new drugs for payment. The Taoiseach was warned the decision could have implications for 25,000 jobs and future investment.
    Dr Reilly met Andrew Hotchkiss, European boss of Eli Lilly, last June 27th, according to his diary. This also shows that he attended a meeting between the Taoiseach and representatives of Abbott Ireland in the Taoiseach’s private office on July 4th.

    Board dinner

    Mr Kenny’s diary also shows he attended the Eli Lilly board dinner at the Old Kinsale golf club on June 27th, 2011.

    The recent deal between the Department of Health and manufacturers will cut the cost of drugs to the State by about €190 million, Minister for Health James Reilly clarified yesterday. While the deal was worth €400 million, the Government had decided to make a significant reinvestment in cutting-edge drugs for patients costing €70 million a year over three years, a spokesman for Dr Reilly said.

    Responding to an article in yesterday’s Irish Times which said the deal would be worth less than half the €400 million headline amount announced in October, the spokesman said Dr Reilly had never claimed it would produce this level of savings.

    He said the Minister had decided the best interests of patients would be served by ensuring access to cutting-edge drugs at a cost of €210 million.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...327730089.html
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    interesting

    Responding to an article in yesterday’s Irish Times which said the deal would be worth less than half the €400 million headline amount announced in October, the spokesman said Dr Reilly had never claimed it would produce this level of savings.
    New drug deal worth €400 million over three years says Minister Reilly
    http://www.dohc.ie/press/releases/2012/20121015.html
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    Trokia are displeased. The pharma industry's extortion is getting in the way of their extortion

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    India is not Ireland

    The Indian government has formally notified the bureaucracy of its decision to enforce a new policy that will bring more generic medicines under price control, going ahead with a plan that has faced stiff resistance from local and foreign drug makers.

    The policy's implementation, according to industry estimates, will bring about 30% of the $11 billion local drugs market under price control, compared with about 18% under the previous drug-pricing policy, which dates back to the mid-1990s.

    The latest policy will extend price restrictions to 348 "essential" drugs, including cancer and HIV medicines that weren't covered under the previous policy that set prices for 74 drug compounds and their combinations.

    The new rule caps the maximum price of a drug at the average price of all medicines in that category which have a market share of at least 1%. The previous policy set prices after calculating the manufacturing cost and adding a maximum profit margin.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...034112798.html
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