College Students and LSD - An Overlooked Opportunity to Hack the Brain and Improve it?

[bernadette]

Yes, it is plain as a pikestaff that alcohol is the real culprit here, causing more familial suffering, social disorder and criminality than any other recreational substance.



Baloney; we are desensitised to the dangers and risks inherent in the consumption of alcohol from an early age. But hey it's legal, that makes it superior by far to other chemicals right?
Lame.

******

Alcohol is legal and when you buy a pint you know what's in it. There are alcoholics and there are people who will die from alcohol poisoning but illegal drugs are still by far the worst.

When some kid buys a fix from the junkie on the corner he has no idea what he's paying for but he'd rob his mother to buy it.

This entire thread strikes me as someones idea of a sick joke. Its one thing to be in favour of legalising weed and some other drugs. Its completely different to sing the praises of something as dangerous as LSD or its close relatives.

Its also completely ludicrous to condemn alcohol and praise drugs! You are avin a larf.

[jmcc]

That's dem pesky drugs talkin.

Damned smart drugs?

Regards...jmcc

[Kev Bar]

Damned smart drugs?

Regards...jmcc

That's what I was reliably informed by the nice man who was happy to take the Ma's wedding ring.

When some kid buys a fix from the junkie on the corner he has no idea what he's paying for but he'd rob his mother to buy it.

As Burroughs said those kids are the last to have cash and the first to squeal.

The idea of evil adult dealers preying on kids is largely, and note I say largely, a figment of alarmist, hysterical ignorance.

Most kids buy drugs from their peers.

[musashi]

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Alcohol is legal and when you buy a pint you know what's in it. There are alcoholics and there are people who will die from alcohol poisoning but illegal drugs are still by far the worst.

When some kid buys a fix from the junkie on the corner he has no idea what he's paying for but he'd rob his mother to buy it.

This entire thread strikes me as someones idea of a sick joke. Its one thing to be in favour of legalising weed and some other drugs. Its completely different to sing the praises of something as dangerous as LSD or its close relatives.

Its also completely ludicrous to condemn alcohol and praise drugs! You are avin a larf.

Betimes at you yes.
But whatever, live and let live.

[Sam Lord]

I was promoting nothing.

Didn't much sound like it.

Good acid once a year or so is a fine alternative to an interesting holiday and a good challenge to complacency and test of self-confidence.

[Kev Bar]

A man who ignores caveats is the quoting version of a scoundrel.

[TotalMayhem]

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[Kev Bar]

Hey I was being Christian!

[Sam Lord]

A man who ignores caveats is the quoting version of a scoundrel.

A caveat really does not determine whether something is being promoted or not. An ad for cigarettes which carries a health warning is still an ad for cigarettes. It would be self evidently foolish for someone who pointed out that cigarettes ads promoted smoking to be accused of being a scoundrel because they did not mention that the ads stated that smoking may damage your health. Cigarette ads promote smoking ... you were promoting the use of LSD. End of ....

[Kev Bar]

A caveat really does not determine whether something is being promoted or not. An ad for cigarettes which carries a health warning is still an ad for cigarettes. It would self evidently foolish for someone who pointed out that cigarettes ads promoted smoking to be accused of being a scoundrel because they did not mention that the ads stated that smoking may damage your health. Cigarette ads promote smoking ... you were promoting the use of LSD. End of ....

In your case I'm strongly advocating!

[fluffybiscuits]

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Alcohol is legal and when you buy a pint you know what's in it. There are alcoholics and there are people who will die from alcohol poisoning but illegal drugs are still by far the worst.

When some kid buys a fix from the junkie on the corner he has no idea what he's paying for but he'd rob his mother to buy it.

This entire thread strikes me as someones idea of a sick joke. Its one thing to be in favour of legalising weed and some other drugs. Its completely different to sing the praises of something as dangerous as LSD or its close relatives.

Its also completely ludicrous to condemn alcohol and praise drugs! You are avin a larf.

Its all the more reason to legalise drugs here. A lot of cannabis is soaked in antifreeze as the THC , the active component in the drug crosses into the brain a lot quicker delivering the hit more potentally. People are always going to do drugs regardless of whatever approach we take and quality control is a huge barrier to safe drug use. People buy ecstacy laced with washing powder and even worse warafin! (blood thinner and rat poison!). Obviously Im not in favour of legalising the very hard stuff such as heroin or coke but the other drugs on evidence do deserve some sort of look in. Alcohol is far more potent than weed IMO, even American Scientist agrees!

http://www.americanscientist.org/iss...tional-drugs/1

[C. Flower]

In the 18th century the enlightenment was based on the best informed and clearest thinking.

Drugs that actually damage and distort our perceptions are not enlightening. It is thoroughly excusable that people in pre-scientific societies with no knowledge of neuro-science would have thought that hallucinations and bizarre sensations they experienced had an external cause, rather than just being the result of a drug-induced malfunction of their brain.

Robert Graves reportedly thought he had "seen heaven" via magic mushrooms.

He was mistaken.

[Kev Bar]

In the 18th century the enlightenment was based on the best informed and clearest thinking.

Drugs that actually damage and distort our perceptions are not enlightening. It is thoroughly excusable that people in pre-scientific societies with no knowledge of neuro-science would have thought that hallucinations and bizarre sensations they experienced had an external cause, rather than just being the result of a drug-induced malfunction of their brain.

Robert Graves reportedly thought he had "seen heaven" via magic mushrooms.

He was mistaken.

**** I don't know Cactus.
Have you seen his gaffe in Majorca?
I visited a while back.
Otherworldly!
And with a tiny nudge...who knows?

(Or is nodge what they say?)

[fluffybiscuits]

In the 18th century the enlightenment was based on the best informed and clearest thinking.

Drugs that actually damage and distort our perceptions are not enlightening. It is thoroughly excusable that people in pre-scientific societies with no knowledge of neuro-science would have thought that hallucinations and bizarre sensations they experienced had an external cause, rather than just being the result of a drug-induced malfunction of their brain.

Robert Graves reportedly thought he had "seen heaven" via magic mushrooms.

He was mistaken.

It was also a time when they still believed the world was flat however and that the Earth was the centre of the universe that the sun revolved around it. Enlightenment comes only in small pieces, if we got it all at once we would be overwhelmed so a quote goes. Im not saying that mind altering drugs are the answer to the worlds problems but someone whom has come up against a problem which needs a different approach, under medical supervision and psychiatric evalution, could certainly benefit from them a lot.

[C. Flower]

It was also a time when they still believed the world was flat however and that the Earth was the centre of the universe that the sun revolved around it. Enlightenment comes only in small pieces, if we got it all at once we would be overwhelmed so a quote goes. Im not saying that mind altering drugs are the answer to the worlds problems but someone whom has come up against a problem which needs a different approach, under medical supervision and psychiatric evalution, could certainly benefit from them a lot.

That's a myth, fluffy. There was never a belief in Europe that the earth is flat. Even if you stand on a hill and look at the horizon you can see it is round.

http://mythverse.com/2011/07/16/flat-earth/

In psychiatry, I thought that talk therapies in general did much better for people than drugs.