College Students and LSD - An Overlooked Opportunity to Hack the Brain and Improve it?

[Kev Bar]

Maybe a bit OT but I didn't find a better place to post this...

Artist paints his self-portrait while high on a different drug every single day.



Saunder's web site

That's great.

[Ephilant]

Yourself and the hostess would make such a perfect pair of proselytisers.
(How long did you live in Ireland?)

By all means, blow your mind on whatever you feel like getting high or stoned on, it's your choice. There is ample evidence that you end up doing damage to yourself, and often those around you as well. There is however no evidence what so ever that there ever is a lasting "Eureka" moment. The poisoned brain might think, in it's poisoned state, that there is, but once the head is clear again, it's usually a very serious dissappointment, as I'm also sure you know.
There are other ways of doing the very same thing without taken any poisons. Mediating, fasting, breathing techniques. But it takes a good bit of effort to master those techniques.
Any old fool can put a joint together or pop a few mushies in a teapot. Nothing to it, nothing from it. sorry.

[Kev Bar]

By all means, blow your mind on whatever you feel like getting high or stoned on, it's your choice. There is ample evidence that you end up doing damage to yourself, and often those around you as well. There is however no evidence what so ever that there ever is a lasting "Eureka" moment. The poisoned brain might think, in it's poisoned state, that there is, but once the head is clear again, it's usually a very serious dissappointment, as I'm also sure you know.
There are other ways of doing the very same thing without taken any poisons. Mediating, fasting, breathing techniques. But it takes a good bit of effort to master those techniques.
Any old fool can put a joint together or pop a few mushies in a teapot. Nothing to it, nothing from it. sorry.

Never suggested that getting high was akin to haute cuisine in prep.

Any old fool can do many a thing, so no need to apologise to me.

I'm a mere spokesperson for myself.

I did allude to my difficulty doing Tai chi while swimming.

Whereas tripping and swimming?

Well not alone did they go hand in hand but, closetted in cotton towel, I noted with some glee that they both ended in 'ing'.

And you suggest "brain damage?"



Now where were we?

Damn these bewildering tangents!

Yes, on a separate trip altogether - as they say - did you live here and for how along?

Don't let my idle questioning get in the way of the more impotant task of "scaring the bejezus" out of the rancid nexus of European capitalist power.

But please let me go play at the sea-side when the sun shines.

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BTW I suspect the following was a complement:

Yourself and the hostess would make such a perfect pair of proselytisers.

[Ephilant]

Sun shines alright, to hot to think, but on and off about 23 years or so.

[Kev Bar]

Sun shines alright, to hot to think, but on and off about 23 years or so.

Just curious.
That scaring phrase is not the sort of linguistics one picks up on a Ryanair city sojourn.

[Ephilant]

Just curious.
That scaring phrase is not the sort of linguistics one picks up on a Ryanair city sojourn.

No, she-who-must-be-obeyed suffered from home sickness regularly. Cured now

[C. Flower]

Not sure if this is what you are looking for but it gives some extra information too
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/grofhist.htm


I never took what he does to be religious in any way, and i'm not sure what is meant by an "artificial oneness with nature and the self"

I can be achieved, DMT is a naturally occurring substance in the brain. Yes I believe it probably did involve oxygen deprivation as far as I can tell it is a breath work which creates the same effect as hyperventilation.. I think it is a bit extreme to go through just to gather a perception so wouldn't be my cup of tea.. I'd rather meditate

But i did find his earlier work fascinating

Exactly. Meditation, music, poetry and dance can all take a person to another place.

[fluffybiscuits]

There is a very good NATURAL reason why these parts have been locked up. It is called self-preservation. The very same reason is responsible for us not accessing "unknown" parts. It's the thing living beings do when something scares the living bejezus out of them. They either lock it away because they simply can't cope with it, or it frightens them. or both. Either way, unlocking these "experiences" or "insights" would not be too beneficial for either the person in question or society.
Whether you abuse the so hailed mushroom or abuse some pharmaceutical concoction does in fact not matter. The "natural" occurance of a mind alterning substance is not a licence to use it. Natural or not, it is and remains a poison to us.
The simple reality is that it's effects will either wear off, in which case you just have to deal with reality as it is and it's altered state was simply a total waste of time, or you stay in your "altered state of mind" and society then probably ends up removing you from society, for it's own protection.
There are simply no short-cuts to a better society. It's very hard work, and you need to be at the top of your game to accomplish even the minutest change.
Changing society starts with recognizing ourselves for the idots we are. Not by turning ourselves into a different kind of idiot.

There are a huge amount of highly talented, creative people who thought that they needed drugs to unlock the pool of talent within them and as a result destroyed or prematurely ended their lives.. Society is conditioned to consume.. more, more, more and a lot of people are still in so much psychological pain they feel the need to deaden this with chemicals. Drug addiction is real and its not pretty. I'm including alcohol in that..

On the other side of this argument though we are talking about the use of substances in a psycho therapeutic environment being used to unlock some of the deepest repressions within people to enable them to heal, i think it is worth investigating further.. The drugs that are being prescribed at the moment are only treating the symptoms of mental illness not the source..

There are a number of non-drug based therapies that attempt to do that through relaxation-based hypnosis.
There are many studies that show "talk therapy" and therapies like EMDR (memory retrieval through a semi-hypnotic state) to have more success than drugs.

People want these types of therapies, but are fobbed off with drugs.

http://www.independent.ie/health/hea...n-2654516.html

Often inspiration does spring from the most unsurprising of places. The Devils Trill is said to have come to the composer in a dream in which the devil played the sonata on a violin after he agreed to sell his soul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%2..._Sonata).Crick and Watson when they discovered the structure of DNA completely discovered it by chance I read (there were rumours Crick was LSD but lets believe he was not ) and they discovered it when moving models around (http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retri...e/SC/p-nid/143). Inspiration can come from anywhere , LSD is not going to give inspiration for anything and everything ,there are flaws in it and major ones at that. The world can be understood through psychology, the tool itself is a major evolutionary tool in helping us understand what propels the mind and pushes it and how to repair it when broken.

[C. Flower]

No such thing as the devil.

[Spectabilis]

Often inspiration does spring from the most unsurprising of places. The Devils Trill is said to have come to the composer in a dream in which the devil played the sonata on a violin after he agreed to sell his soul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Trill_Sonata).Crick and Watson when they discovered the structure of DNA completely discovered it by chance I read (there were rumours Crick was LSD but lets believe he was not ) and they discovered it when moving models around (http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retri...e/SC/p-nid/143). Inspiration can come from anywhere , LSD is not going to give inspiration for anything and everything ,there are flaws in it and major ones at that. The world can be understood through psychology, the tool itself is a major evolutionary tool in helping us understand what propels the mind and pushes it and how to repair it when broken.

I'm afraid Crick and watson got their inspiration, not from LSD but from Rosalind Franklin.

'British biophysicist and X-ray crystallographer who made critical contributions to the understanding of the fine molecular structures of DNA, RNA, viruses, coal and graphite.[2] The DNA work achieved the most fame because DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) plays essential roles in cell metabolism and genetics, and the discovery of its structure helped scientists understand how genetic information is passed from parents to children.'

Because Rosalind Franklin had died in 1958 she was not eligible for nomination to the Nobel Prize subsequently awarded to Crick, Watson, and Wilkins in 1962.[123] '
This omission of her work and subsequent controversy led
In 2008, Columbia University awarded an Honorary Horwitz Prize to Rosalind Franklin, Ph.D., posthumously, "for her seminal contributions 'to the discovery of the structure of DNA".[137]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin

[C. Flower]

I'm afraid Crick and watson got their inspiration, not from LSD but from Rosalind Franklin.

'British biophysicist and X-ray crystallographer who made critical contributions to the understanding of the fine molecular structures of DNA, RNA, viruses, coal and graphite.[2] The DNA work achieved the most fame because DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) plays essential roles in cell metabolism and genetics, and the discovery of its structure helped scientists understand how genetic information is passed from parents to children.'

Because Rosalind Franklin had died in 1958 she was not eligible for nomination to the Nobel Prize subsequently awarded to Crick, Watson, and Wilkins in 1962.[123] '
This omission of her work and subsequent controversy led
In 2008, Columbia University awarded an Honorary Horwitz Prize to Rosalind Franklin, Ph.D., posthumously, "for her seminal contributions 'to the discovery of the structure of DNA".[137]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin

So Rosalind was not stoned ??

[Ephilant]

No such thing as the devil.

the devil's greatest achievement is having people convinced she doesn't exist...

[fluffybiscuits]

No such thing as the devil.

[C. Flower]

the devil's greatest achievement is having people convinced she doesn't exist...

Ta

[C. Flower]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1159562