New IRA Formed ? Real IRA and RAAD merge

[C. Flower]

It could be argued that Resistance movements are simply in the business of resisting. What was the political strategy of the French resistance? Depends on who you spoke to I guess. There was certainly no common political platform. They were just in the business of resisting occupation.
The Germans often engaged in mass reprisals against the civilian population so it could have been argued along your lines that the resistance did not have the best interests of the population at heart.

The German occupation of France was a situation of ongoing open international warfare - and even so, I would very likely have had disagreements with some strands of the French Resistance. The SOE made a hames of everything it did, for example.

Things are often the opposite of what they appear to be these days. The Sinn Fein leadership made out a wholesale capitulation across the whole island to "British legality" into a victory for republicanism. Weariness with deaths and militarism countributed towards the landslide vote for the GFA. These people say they are for the same thing as SF. Saying it is not enough, if the strategy and tactics are counterproductive.

[C. Flower]

MI5 bullshit spin.

Henry, interviewed on Drivetime tonight, mentioned his "Security Sources" as having confirmed this -

Republican sources told the Guardian that the new paramilitary force included several hundred armed dissidents, including some former members of the now disbanded Provisional IRA who have been conducting a campaign of shooting and forcible exile of men in Derry City whom they accuse of drug dealing.

From his interview, it seemed that the estimate of several hundred was his own, or the Security Forces. Having said that it was an organisation of hundreds, he went on to say it was weak, fragmented and had few capacities. Confusing.

[riposte]

Henry, interviewed on Drivetime tonight, mentioned his "Security Sources" as having confirmed this -



From his interview, it seemed that the estimate of several hundred was his own, or the Security Forces. Having said that it was an organisation of hundreds, he went on to say it was weak, fragmented and had few capacities. Confusing.

You have to have a good memory when you are making things up.

[C. Flower]

in 1983 beruit barrack bombings did work

The MNF left it ran away they did not even retaliate

With the result that ?

According to Fisk, the Americans forgot about it, partly because most of the regions CIA personnel were killed by it.

http://books.google.ie/books?id=VrXp...nepage&q=beiru

Syria, backed by Russia, vs Israel and the US slugged it out via their proxies.

[Trow]

MI5 bullshit spin.

Henry, interviewed on Drivetime tonight, mentioned his "Security Sources" as having confirmed this -

From his interview, it seemed that the estimate of several hundred was his own, or the Security Forces. Having said that it was an organisation of hundreds, he went on to say it was weak, fragmented and had few capacities. Confusing.

There's a clue in ''the statement'' [the parts printed] were the very language is telling.
Looks good on paper but it's not the language of a Republican.

Tis Henry's statement that is ''weak'', ''fragmented'' and is designed to cause ''confusion.''

[C. Flower]

There's a clue in ''the statement'' [the parts printed] were the very language is telling.
Looks good on paper but it's not the language of a Republican.

Tis Henry's statement that is ''weak'', ''fragmented'' and is designed to cause ''confusion.''

Interesting. What sounds 'wrong' ?

[Trow]

Interesting. What sounds 'wrong' ?

''Rubber stamped'' Republicans have consistently referred to affairs in Ireland as being ''Copper fastened.''

[Saoirse go Deo]

If it's bullshit then surely it would have been denied by now by the groups involved.

It's a massive shift for RAAD, given a few years ago they were saying they were non political and support the peace process.

[C. Flower]

If it's bullshit then surely it would have been denied by now by the groups involved.

It's a massive shift for RAAD, given a few years ago they were saying they were non political and support the peace process.

Thinking myself that something has happened, or there would have been a denial. Exactly what has happened, and involving who, and why, are the questions.

Hard to be in favour of a peace process while allegedly carrying out executions of alleged drug dealers.

Any idea how did the RAAD come about, and what are their politics ?

[Trow]

If it's bullshit then surely it would have been denied by now by the groups involved.

It's a massive shift for RAAD, given a few years ago they were saying they were non political and support the peace process.

Why do you think any of the groups would rush to deny anything that would be published by Henry in the Guardian?

The IRA will tell you themselves that they are not a civic police force, which maybe explains why RAAD exist in the first place. It would'nt just be a big shift for RAAD to joinder but for the IRA also.

Have a look and listen to this hurriedly prepared UTV news programme on the matter..http://www.u.tv/news/New-IRA-group-a...a-a0996a15b940

There's no detail of the mystery meeting with the group or how they came about the statement.
Don't be fooled by the propaganda video being shown, that's an old Real IRA video but do note the number and kind of weapons and uniforms and compare them to the charges this alledged RAAD member faces.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-norther...-west-19012352

Quote....He is charged with having articles for use in acts of terrorism.

They were allegedly found in his home on 12 July.

They included a Glock hand gun, five camouflage or paramilitary-style uniforms, balaclavas, a mobile phone, a 2-way radio, four replica AK 47 rifles, a de-activated AK47 rifle, a blank firing revolver and a blank Glock hand-gun.unquote.

Pennies dropping yet?

[riposte]

Any idea how did the RAAD come about, and what are their politics ?

Conflict Junkies.

[Trow]

Any idea how did the RAAD come about, and what are their politics ?

Conflict Junkies.

Hi Riposte. What's the link between RAAD and Sinn Fein then?

[Quote] Police officers approached mayor and Sinn Féin Councillor Kevin Campbell's home in the Creggan estate on Thursday.

When police officers discovered the premises was the mayor's house, they waited for more than five hours before searching it.

A number of other properties were also searched as part of a crackdown on the vigilante group RAAD.
"They came in with a search warrant under the prevention of terrorism act 2000, and they took away two laptops, one belonging to my daughter, and one belonging to Derry City Council," Councillor Campbell explained.

"They took three mobile phones and they took away a handheld camera."[unquote].

Video link...http://www.u.tv/News/Mayor-of-Derrys...3-bd709324b407

[riposte]

Hi Riposte. What's the link between RAAD and Sinn Fein then?

I should hope there's none .... I'd rather see them hanging out with smuggler's and drug pushers.

[Trow]

I should hope there's none .... I'd rather see them hanging out with smuggler's and drug pushers.

''Than'' drug pushers you mean?

[C. Flower]

Why do you think any of the groups would rush to deny anything that would be published by Henry in the Guardian?

The IRA will tell you themselves that they are not a civic police force, which maybe explains why RAAD exist in the first place. It would'nt just be a big shift for RAAD to joinder but for the IRA also.

Have a look and listen to this hurriedly prepared UTV news programme on the matter..http://www.u.tv/news/New-IRA-group-a...a-a0996a15b940

There's no detail of the mystery meeting with the group or how they came about the statement.
Don't be fooled by the propaganda video being shown, that's an old Real IRA video but do note the number and kind of weapons and uniforms and compare them to the charges this alledged RAAD member faces.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-norther...-west-19012352

Quote....He is charged with having articles for use in acts of terrorism.

They were allegedly found in his home on 12 July.

They included a Glock hand gun, five camouflage or paramilitary-style uniforms, balaclavas, a mobile phone, a 2-way radio, four replica AK 47 rifles, a de-activated AK47 rifle, a blank firing revolver and a blank Glock hand-gun.unquote.

Pennies dropping yet?

He said he was a collector of clothing associated with outdoor activities and he frequently loaned them out or sold them at Halloween and to "doggy men".

In the prepared statement the defendant said he collected replica firearms as a hobby and they had never been used for illegal activities.

Not dodgy, but doggy.

So, they got some phones from the Mayor. There was one Glock it seems in working order, and everything else blank or replica.

They included a Glock hand gun, five camouflage or paramilitary-style uniforms, balaclavas, a mobile phone, a 2-way radio, four replica AK 47 rifles, a de-activated AK47 rifle, a blank firing revolver and a blank Glock hand-gun.

Still wouldn't want one of them pointed at me on a dark night.