JFK assassination conspiracy

[Baron von Biffo]

Geezer shooting squirrels or black folk.
Please pay attention, my good doctor.

You're obviously an NUJ member trying to deflect attention from Ursula Halligan.

[Griska]

You're obviously an NUJ member trying to deflect attention from Ursula Halligan.

I've been reliably informed that Ursula was have her quiff lacquered that day.

[Maximus]

In 1964, the Warren Commission concluded that only three shots were fired — all from behind the President, all from the Texas School Book Depository, all from the bolt-action rifle of Lee Harvey Oswald. End of story. (Beginning of conspiracy-theory industry.) In 1979, an investigation conducted by Congress's House Assassinations Committee disagreed — a fourth shot, which missed, had been fired from behind a white picket fence on that grassy knoll. In 1982, however, a special panel of the National Academy of Sciences insisted the fourth shot was random background noise, probably static.

The Presidential limousine was passing a grassy knoll on the north side of Elm Street at the moment of the fatal head shot. As the motorcade left the plaza, police officers and spectators ran up the knoll and from a railroad bridge over Elm Street (the Triple Underpass), to the area behind a five-foot (1.5 m) high stockade fence atop the knoll, separating it from a parking lot. No sniper was found.(Warren Commission Hearings, Testimony of Clyde Haygood) S. M. Holland, who had been watching the motorcade on the Triple Underpass, testified that "immediately" after the shots were fired, he went around the corner where the overpass joined the fence but did not see anyone running from the area.(Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 6, pp. 244–245, Testimony of S. M. Holland) Lee Bowers, a railroad switchman sitting in a two-story tower, had an unobstructed view of the rear of the stockade fence atop the grassy knoll during the shooting. He saw a total of four men in the area between his tower and Elm Street: a middle-aged man and a younger man, standing 10 to 15 feet (3.0 to 4.6 m) apart near the Triple Underpass, who did not seem to know each other, and one or two uniformed parking lot attendants. At the time of the shooting, he saw "something out of the ordinary, a sort of milling around," which he could not identify. Bowers testified that one or both of the men were still there when motorcycle officer Clyde Haygood ran up the grassy knoll to the back of the fence. In a 1966 interview, Bowers clarified that the two men he saw were standing in the opening between the pergola and the fence, and that "no one" was behind the fence at the time the shots were fired. (Transcript of filmed interview of Lee Bowers, Jr., p.124, Roll GH600, from Rush to Judgment, in the papers of Emile de Antonio, Wisconsin Historical Society Archives)

Well I should have stated the book said the grassy knoll shot isn't identified as having definitely killed the president and I wasn't aware of the 1982 finding. I must read up about it. Not mentioned in Anthony Summers' book.

A number of witnesses close to the grassy knoll said they heard shots from there. And these people weren't even questioned by the FBI or the Warren Commission.

In Summers' book, a police officer reported a car driving away from the back road of the grassy knoll which was never caught as the officer reported it too late.

As for the shots coming from the School Book Depository, when shooting a person or item the shot generally goes in the direction of the shot not back towards the shot which places a question mark over the fatal shot coming from the School Book Depository, behind JFK, as he lurches backwards not forwards.

And finally I finish with this. Video of the Black Dog Man in the grassy knoll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAWdzh-dmSo

Conspiracy to what?

In your view why would the Mafia via Ruby shoot the man who shot their enemy?

That is my point. They should have been raising a beer to this guy not shooting the guy.

[Trow]

Conspiracy to what?

In your view why would the Mafia via Ruby shoot the man who shot their enemy?

That is my point. They should have been raising a beer to this guy not shooting the guy.

Was'nt Ruby a lower level criminal maybe loosely associated with the mafia?

Fearing a Government backlash and to protect his own interests decided to become a hero for a day?

[Holly]

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A number of witnesses close to the grassy knoll said they heard shots from there. And these people weren't even questioned by the FBI or the Warren Commission.

If their testimony was not taken then their evidence is not on record, I suppose.

In Summers' book, a police officer reported a car driving away from the back road of the grassy knoll which was never caught as the officer reported it too late.

Not much to go on here.

As for the shots coming from the School Book Depository, when shooting a person or item the shot generally goes in the direction of the shot not back towards the shot which places a question mark over the fatal shot coming from the School Book Depository, behind JFK, as he lurches backwards not forwards.

On the contrary, exit wounds from the head are always more traumatic than entry wounds. At the request of the Attorney General of the United States Ramsey Clark, four physicians met in Washington, DC on February 26 and 27, 1868 to examine various photographs, X-ray films documents and other evidence pertaining to the death of President Kennedy, and to evaluate their significance in relation to the medical conclusions recorded in the Autopsy Report on the body of President Kennedy signed by Commander J. J. Humes, Medical Corps, US Navy; Commander J. Thornton Boswell, Medical Corps, US Navy and Lt. Col. Pierre A. Finck, Medical Corps, US Army and in the Supplemental Report signed by Commander Humes. These appear in the Warren Commission Report at pages 538 to 545. In their discussion they write, "The decedent was wounded by two bullets, both of which entered his body from behind. One bullet struck the back of the decedent's head well above the external occipital protuberance. Based upon the observation that he was leaning forward with his head turned obliquely to the left when this bullet struck, the photographs and X-rays indicate that it came from a site above and slightly to his right. This bullet fragmented after entering the cranium, one major piece of it passing forward and laterally to produce an explosive fracture of the right side of the skull as it emerged from the head. The absence of metallic fragments in the left cerebral hemisphere or below the level of the frontal fossa on the right side together with the absence of any holes in it the skull to the left of the midline or in its base and the absence of any penetrating injury of the left hemisphere, eliminate with reasonable certainty the possibility of a projectile having passed through the head in any direction other than from back to front as described in preceding sections of this report."

And finally I finish with this. Video of the Black Dog Man in the grassy knoll ...

I saw no black dog man in the fuzzy pictures despite the images being "enhanced" or manipulated.

[TotalMayhem]

Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, The Mafia, keeps 'em guessing like some kind of parlor game, prevents 'em from asking the most important question: why? Why was Kennedy Killed? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up? Who?

I recently read this book by Phillip F. Nelson, who is making a compelling case that LBJ masterminded the Kennedy assassination. He benefitted most and certainly had the means and the power to cover it up.

[C. Flower]

Whatever became of "The Lone Gunman" - so busy about the place in the 60s and 70s? Has he gone out of fashion, or is there no-one considered worth assassinating making it into politics or the arts these days?

[Griska]

Whatever became of "The Lone Gunman" - so busy about the place in the 60s and 70s? Has he gone out of fashion, or is there no-one considered worth assassinating making it into politics or the arts these days?

Poor guy got arthritis in his trigger finger.
Occupational hazard, I suppose.

[Maximus]

If their testimony was not taken then their evidence is not on record, I suppose.


Not much to go on here.


On the contrary, exit wounds from the head are always more traumatic than entry wounds. At the request of the Attorney General of the United States Ramsey Clark, four physicians met in Washington, DC on February 26 and 27, 1868 to examine various photographs, X-ray films documents and other evidence pertaining to the death of President Kennedy, and to evaluate their significance in relation to the medical conclusions recorded in the Autopsy Report on the body of President Kennedy signed by Commander J. J. Humes, Medical Corps, US Navy; Commander J. Thornton Boswell, Medical Corps, US Navy and Lt. Col. Pierre A. Finck, Medical Corps, US Army and in the Supplemental Report signed by Commander Humes. These appear in the Warren Commission Report at pages 538 to 545. In their discussion they write, "The decedent was wounded by two bullets, both of which entered his body from behind. One bullet struck the back of the decedent's head well above the external occipital protuberance. Based upon the observation that he was leaning forward with his head turned obliquely to the left when this bullet struck, the photographs and X-rays indicate that it came from a site above and slightly to his right. This bullet fragmented after entering the cranium, one major piece of it passing forward and laterally to produce an explosive fracture of the right side of the skull as it emerged from the head. The absence of metallic fragments in the left cerebral hemisphere or below the level of the frontal fossa on the right side together with the absence of any holes in it the skull to the left of the midline or in its base and the absence of any penetrating injury of the left hemisphere, eliminate with reasonable certainty the possibility of a projectile having passed through the head in any direction other than from back to front as described in preceding sections of this report."


I saw no black dog man in the fuzzy pictures despite the images being "enhanced" or manipulated.

So you reckon Oswald did it. We could go back and forward arguing over lone gunman or second gunman. However, do you believe it was simply Oswald a crazed lone gunmen sniper killed Kennedy? Or Oswald working for the CIA/Mafia/Cuban exiles to kill JFK? And Oswald did have links with both. His uncle Charles Murret was in the mafia and he visited regularly just before the assassination. As for intelligence, he was seen with severely intelligence men. One being Guy Banister, a former FBI agent.

[Holly]

So you reckon Oswald did it. We could go back and forward arguing over lone gunman or second gunman. However, do you believe it was simply Oswald a crazed lone gunmen sniper killed Kennedy? Or Oswald working for the CIA/Mafia/Cuban exiles to kill JFK? And Oswald did have links with both. His uncle Charles Murret was in the mafia and he visited regularly just before the assassination. As for intelligence, he was seen with severely intelligence men. One being Guy Banister, a former FBI agent.

Oswald was a complex person, a malcontent, and emotionally unpredictable. He was awarded Marine Corps sharpshooter medal.

From childhood he was withdrawn and temperamental. He was prone to narcissistic and eccentric actions such as going to live in Russia when he claimed to be a Communist but was soon disabused of his pipedream. He was singularly not capable of working with others, especially in an elaborate conspiracy to murder the president. In short, he was a nutcase, quite capable of acting alone to make his mark in history.

[bernadette]

Oswald was a complex person, a malcontent, and emotionally unpredictable. He was awarded Marine Corps sharpshooter medal.

From childhood he was withdrawn and temperamental. He was prone to narcissistic and eccentric actions such as going to live in Russia when he claimed to be a Communist but was soon disabused of his pipedream. He was singularly not capable of working with others, especially in an elaborate conspiracy to murder the president. In short, he was a nutcase, quite capable of acting alone to make his mark in history.

Or he was good enough to be used and discarded as soon as the job was done. I understand Ruby had a terminal illness, like your average soon to die person thinks nothing is more important than avenging the death of a president.

[Maximus]

Or he was good enough to be used and discarded as soon as the job was done. I understand Ruby had a terminal illness, like your average soon to die person thinks nothing is more important than avenging the death of a president.

In Summers' book, Ruby is described as being close to Santas Trafficante, who once said 'The president will get hit' referring to Kennedy. Ruby also interest in Cuba where he provided guns for Castro before everyone realised Castro would turn Cuba into a Communist country and ruin the mob's business there.

Ruby saying he did this on the spur of the moment to save Jackie Kennedy a trial is a load of rubbish. How he even got into the police basement when Oswald was being transported suggests he must have paid his way into the basement via the police.

[joekilgobinet]

Missed shot

It is an accepted fact that a bullet or a bullet fragment struck the concrete curb on the north side of Main Street near the Triple Overpass. A nearby onlooker, James Tague was struck on the cheek by the ricocheting concrete or a minute shred of the fragmenting bullet.

http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/MissedShot.htm

[Maximus]

Started reading Gerald Posner's anti conspiracy book Case Closed. About 75 pages though and while it is detailed and well done I don't know if I can take the words of an author who is a proven plagiarist, gave unauthorised/false forensic positions in the book and couldn't produce tapes before Congress to support some of his claims in the book.

[C. Flower]

Ruby cannot even remember doing it
he has hypnotized into firing to it by a CIA black op unit.
They did the same with Sirhan Bishara Sirhan in the assassination of United States Senator Robert F. Kennedy.

Whoever did these killings, the idea that there was this random rash of "lone gunmen" is hard to believe.

But if the CIA had perfected use of people as zombie killers in the 1960s, why did they stop ?