Fluff's Public Sector Rant Thread...

[bernadette]

I think there is some corruption in almost every area of public life. Most of it is probably low level not worth bothering about. Departments like planning were valuable assets to anyone on the make.

[Baron von Biffo]

I think there is some corruption in almost every area of public life. Most of it is probably low level not worth bothering about. Departments like planning were valuable assets to anyone on the make.

I heard an interview with a Greek retailer in the radio around the time of their election. He was talking about the various officials who came to inspect his premises in relation to the different licences he needed for aspects of his business. He said that they would claim to find problems that would vanish once money was offered. We simply don't have that here.

[bernadette]

I heard an interview with a Greek retailer in the radio around the time of their election. He was talking about the various officials who came to inspect his premises in relation to the different licences he needed for aspects of his business. He said that they would claim to find problems that would vanish once money was offered. We simply don't have that here.

No its in the offices and much higher up but its still there.

[Baron von Biffo]

No its in the offices and much higher up but its still there.

Without naming names, could you elaborate?

[Dr. FIVE]

We simply don't have that here.

[bernadette]

Without naming names, could you elaborate?

No I won't name names but it has as far as I'm aware always been known that if you know the right people in the right departments your path could be smoothed, and that has been from aquiring a council house to planning.

Its probably no worse than any other country but its still there.

[Baron von Biffo]

No I won't name names but it has as far as I'm aware always been known that if you know the right people in the right departments your path could be smoothed, and that has been from aquiring a council house to planning.

Its probably no worse than any other country but its still there.

The notion that connections can get you a council house may well have no substance beyond the fact that councillors get the housing allocation lists and claim credit for interceding for people in their area. It's not unknown for new tenants to get letters from several councillors all claiming to have smoothed their path.

[bernadette]

The notion that connections can get you a council house may well have no substance beyond the fact that councillors get the housing allocation lists and claim credit for interceding for people in their area. It's not unknown for new tenants to get letters from several councillors all claiming to have smoothed their path.

Of course! But being introduced as someone in need of a council house at a, ahem, political gathering and subsequently getting your house is a little bit more than that.

I'm not saying the country is riddled with it just that its there and it is everything from half a day added to the overtime to days off sick is a form of corruption. Inviting retired teachers back to oversee exams.. Its the system looking after its own.

[Baron von Biffo]

Of course! But being introduced as someone in need of a council house at a, ahem, political gathering and subsequently getting your house is a little bit more than that.

That's known as the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy - the idea that because B follows A, B was caused by A.

What usually happens in cases like that is that people go to several TDs and/or councillors, all of whom will subsequently claim credit for assistance.

I'm not saying the country is riddled with it just that its there and it is everything from half a day added to the overtime to days off sick is a form of corruption. Inviting retired teachers back to oversee exams.. Its the system looking after its own.

Malingering or falsifying time-sheets isn't the exclusive preserve of the public sector. Just last week we had a newspaper setting up a sting against doctors to obtain false sick certs and Private sector employers organisations claim it's a huge problem.

Hiring retired teachers to supervise exams is hardly evidence of corruption.

[bernadette]

That's known as the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy - the idea that because B follows A, B was caused by A.

What usually happens in cases like that is that people go to several TDs and/or councillors, all of whom will subsequently claim credit for assistance.



Malingering or falsifying time-sheets isn't the exclusive preserve of the public sector. Just last week we had a newspaper setting up a sting against doctors to obtain false sick certs and Private sector employers organisations claim it's a huge problem.

Hiring retired teachers to supervise exams is hardly evidence of corruption.

B definitely follows A if A is introduced to B for the sole purpose of getting the house and hey presto it happens.

Of course the kind of sleight of hand happens elsewhere some minor forms are endemic everywhere. The thing about the PS is its supposed to be better than that, instead its probably worse.

Hiring retired teachers to oversee exams is working the system, there are so many unemployed teachers who can't get work because the dogsbody in the department has control, where I live there are constant complaints about it.

[Maximus]

Cutting the expenses of the public sector is a must. €1.5 billion in increments a year according to today's Sunday Times and €60 extra per year for those in the public sector who stand a lot! Well I work in the private sector and stand all day but I don't get €60 extra a year.

Abuse of phone calls in the public sector must be managed. Our money is being used to fund plenty of personal calls when the high earning public servants should be using their own mobile phones. I purpose a limit on calls or a credit system. Phone calls in the public sector by public servants should be strictly for business/work purposes.

[fluffybiscuits]

I saw someone last week say only the private sector pays tax! It works, all that ***** in papers really works.
Fluffy do you think you change the title to Fluff's work Rant Thread as there is nothing there unique to the public service, that is even if you should be talking about your work place.

If you like you can change it. A lot of the issues are common to both but Im in public sector too and finding its a little more common than when Im in the private sector.

[fluffybiscuits]

Cutting the expenses of the public sector is a must. €1.5 billion in increments a year according to today's Sunday Times and €60 extra per year for those in the public sector who stand a lot! Well I work in the private sector and stand all day but I don't get €60 extra a year.

Abuse of phone calls in the public sector must be managed. Our money is being used to fund plenty of personal calls when the high earning public servants should be using their own mobile phones. I purpose a limit on calls or a credit system. Phone calls in the public sector by public servants should be strictly for business/work purposes.

I get 22 days holidays a year and Im down the lower end of the scale. We dont abuse phones nor do we carry out our private business in public time. When I was in the private sector in a large comapny I saw that behaviour happen a lot

[Apjp]

I'll give ya a rant on the public sector.......

You guys get 30 days of holidays compared to 20 for us folk in the private sector. Then you also get these half days on top of that. You guys get to have separate days off for holidays whereas we have to take the full week.

The excessive phone calls non business made in the public sector which the taxpayer is paying for

Getting protection from that stupid Croke Park Agreement

Public sector grr private sector grr. Govt ROFL

[Apjp]

If people think Ireland is beaurocratic visit France. We actually have an average public service compared to them, but ours works quicker and better. France has quality transport and healthcare but the most red tape in europe. Aside from the HSE, I'd say things here are smooth going compared to over there.