Should the IRA apologise for past atrocities?

[Sam Lord]

The IRA has always dealt with touts ruthlessly....

Not really. Scap was given a pass. The fact that he was a tout was resolutely denied by SF in the face of all the evidence until he was safely out of the country and set up in Italy.

[Saoirse go Deo]

Not really. Scap was given a pass. The fact that he was a tout was resolutely denied by SF in the face of all the evidence until he was safely out of the country and set up in Italy.

No one wants to be friends with a pedant... You know what I meant.

[Sam Lord]

No one wants to be friends with a pedant... You know what I meant.

I could quote a few more cases that would take the edge off charges of pedantry. But as we both know what we mean ....

[Saoirse go Deo]

I could quote a few more cases that would take the edge off charges of pedantry. But as we both know what we mean ....

The point I was making was that both she (and in particular the Brits) knew what was liable to happen if caught, which was likely given she was caught once.(many more touts were executed [that we know of] then "let go" or escaped)

[Sam Lord]

The point I was making was that both she (and in particular the Brits) knew what was liable to happen if caught, which was likely given she was caught once.(many more touts were executed [that we know of] then "let go" or escaped)

I wouldn't disagree with the basic point. Just the sweeping statements.

[fluffybiscuits]

Some bizarre comments on here about McConville.

The media have built a fine myth around that unfortunate woman. One version has her being killed for comforting a dying British soldier... That's a lie of course... No Brit was killed in the Divis flats area at that time.

However I have to admit the "intimidating the community" one is new to me... As if the 'RA needed to intimidate the community living in the Divis flats in West Belfast! The only intimidation was from the Brits, building a spy post on top of Divis tower and sniping off of it... or strafing the tower with machine gun fire, murdering children. (McConville is of course much more important than that child... hands up who heard of Patrick Rooney before now?)

Speaking of the media... they never seem to mention that her son was in the OIRA do they? Or that he joined the INLA? Doesn't quite fit in with the saintly "women against the IRA" picture they try to paint... that her son was a "terrorist".

If the responsibility for her death must be allocated to someone then look at the Brits... they knew what would happen to her, everyone knew what happens to touts. They put her in that position for a second time, a suicide mission.

The IRA has always dealt with touts ruthlessly... disappearing them was wrong, but it wasn't the first time, look at Mary Lindsay in the 1920s... responsible for the Dripsey ambush, her body has never been found. Good old IRA = evil terrorists? Good god the hypocrisy.

The death of that young lad doesnt sit easy with me. The establishment are liars in this respect, the RUC claimed that they were under fire from IRA snipers but how did the snipers access a post at the top of the flats that the British army could only reach by helicopter? Its a bit non sequitur is'nt it? Moving on from that point anyways, both the British establishment and the IRA had no right to either harass people or to kill them, murder is murder however self defence is another matter entirely. As you said SgD the disappearing of them was wrong . A warning was adequate enough and if they wanted to get a point across why not chop off a finger?

http://homepage.eircom.net/~corkcoun...ne/Dripsey.htm

I had to read up a bit more about Mary Lindsey , the link above gives a good telling of the background to it. Both she and her butler were killed as they IRA used her as a bargaining tool to try and get their men off a possible death penalty. Again they could have at least warned her and chopped off a finger or something. So perhaps there was no difference between the old IRA and the modern IRA.

Thanks for the info SgD , as ever its an education for me a chara .....

[riposte]

How about this Fluffy..........

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghaawbn-1TM"]Justice for Majella O'Hare - YouTube[/ame]

[fluffybiscuits]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ma...-majella-ohare

There was an apology for that...

[Maximus]

Well yes certainly but it ain't going to bring back the people they killed.

[riposte]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ma...-majella-ohare

There was an apology for that...

Oh! I see .... that's alright then.

[bernadette]

Oh! I see .... that's alright then.

No its not alright there are people who have lost loved ones, others who have been crippled and scarred. No amount of apologies from either side will cure them.

The non stop 'they should apologise too/first' is nothing less than additional pain for the victims and their families.

[riposte]

No its not alright there are people who have lost loved ones, others who have been crippled and scarred. No amount of apologies from either side will cure them.

The non stop 'they should apologise too/first' is nothing less than additional pain for the victims and their families.

I think you ignored the at the end of my comment bernadette .... but then your would indicate you are ready to have go at anyone in your vicinity ..... so carry on regardless

[bernadette]

I think you ignored the at the end of my comment bernadette .... but then your would indicate you are ready to have go at anyone in your vicinity ..... so carry on regardless

I practice discrimination Riposte. I reserve my anger for the guilty.

[riposte]

I practice discrimination Riposte. I reserve my anger for the guilty.

Yeah ...

[bernadette]

yeah ...

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