Eamonn Gilmore tells us its time gay marriage...

[fluffybiscuits]

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...s-3161473.html

A bit of praise for Bertie..than no one else other than Celia Larkin...lol

[Ah Well]

Another first for Cork

Cork City Council votes for gay marriage

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/c...te-558522.html

Whatever about Enda's stance looks like the FG Cllrs said yes

[bernadette]

Several Ministers have joined Gilmore in favour of it. Shatter, verawhatsit and so on. Its bound to get through this time. Kenny is just playing to the pewes...

[Baron von Biffo]

The government is referring same sex marriage to the Constitutional Convention managing to simultaneously kick that issue to touch and to undermine the CC.

[Maximus]

If there's a referendum, I intend to vote no but I do sense it will probably pass regardless.

[bernadette]

I see the passing of the right to marriage as inevitable, some TDs and ministers are in favour including, of course, Gilmore. It may need to get to the stage where the Dail is shamed into passing the law. If that's the way of it so be it.

[Maximus]

As it stands, I can see no party in the Dáil being openly against for fears of alienating voters away from their party.

[Ah Well]

TAOISEACH ENDA KENNY has said he will not be pressured into a “box-ticking exercise” in response to questions about whether or not he supports the introduction of gay marriage in Ireland

http://www.thejournal.ie/video-enda-...16056-Jul2012/

Hey Enda, ya need to go boogie and mingle

Didn't come with any Satisfaction Guarantee : Return Enda to Sender

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[fluffybiscuits]

As it stands, I can see no party in the Dáil being openly against for fears of alienating voters away from their party.

If we take it that at least ten per cent of the population are gay, that is in the region of 200k people. Take into account that vast majority of sky fairy worshippers are going to be gone in the next ten to twenty years then they may want to start thinking long term . Kenny is trying to keep schtump on a civil rights issue that needs to be passed, the more gump keeps schtump the more he needs bump Labour are supporting it, the ULA and Sinn Fein, members of Endas own party support it. If the rest of the left are supporting why not the extreme right?

[Maximus]

members of Endas own party support it. If the rest of the left are supporting why not the extreme right?

You know Lucinda Creighton from Enda's party is against it.

[Dr. FIVE]

Suzy Byrne was saying half the Labour party are against and Fine Gael very divided.
I think Labour will probably fall into line given the state of the polls but Fine Gael is full of ignorance.

[Dr. FIVE]

Funny to watch Fianna Fáil embracing considering it is absolute anathema to most of them since forever. Anything for de party.
Had to laugh it their photo ahead of pride, all blue t-shirts and posters. No green in sight. Fianna Fail hiding their identity while try to promote the very opposite.

Says it all

[Monetpenny]

fluffybiscuits
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Re: Eamonn Gilmore tells us its time gay marriage...

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Originally Posted by Maximus
As it stands, I can see no party in the Dáil being openly against for fears of alienating voters away from their party.

If we take it that at least ten per cent of the population are gay, that is in the region of 200k people.

10% of the population is not gay.
The 10% figure is based on the Kinsey report which has been almost universally discredited.
A more accurate figure is between 2.5% & 3.5% of any population is gay.
There are many factors that influence the incidence of homosexuality in that there can be significant variances between race & class & some other factors.
The highest recorded incidence was 6.5% amongst those that attended English Public schools.

If you are gay you are more likely to have more gay friends & will think that the gay population is much larger than is actually the case.

For example my wife worked as a Flight attendant for a JAL & she thought that 50% of the male population was gay.

From an elected representative's point of view, at most only 3.5% of the electorate is gay.
If I was seeking re-election I would try to win as much of the 97% that isn't gay & let a plethora of liberal TDs squabble over the 3% that is gay.

I know not all heterosexual people are opposed to gay marriage, but there is a significant majority of those that are opposed to gay marriage who are trenchantly opposed to it & you will find they are very vocal & very active & will carry significant political clout.

[fluffybiscuits]

fluffybiscuits
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus
As it stands, I can see no party in the Dáil being openly against for fears of alienating voters away from their party.

If we take it that at least ten per cent of the population are gay, that is in the region of 200k people.

10% of the population is not gay.
The 10% figure is based on the Kinsey report which has been almost universally discredited.
A more accurate figure is between 2.5% & 3.5% of any population is gay.
There are many factors that influence the incidence of homosexuality in that there can be significant variances between race & class & some other factors.
The highest recorded incidence was 6.5% amongst those that attended English Public schools.

If you are gay you are more likely to have more gay friends & will think that the gay population is much larger than is actually the case.

For example my wife worked as a Flight attendant for a JAL & she thought that 50% of the male population was gay.

From an elected representative's point of view, at most only 3.5% of the electorate is gay.
If I was seeking re-election I would try to win as much of the 97% that isn't gay & let a plethora of liberal TDs squabble over the 3% that is gay.

I know not all heterosexual people are opposed to gay marriage, but there is a significant majority of those that are opposed to gay marriage who are trenchantly opposed to it & you will find they are very vocal & very active & will carry significant political clout.

I concede that you are correct on that one! I checked out the figures that you mentioned and Kinsey I knew was discredited, or at least a lot of his theories as he did not use a sample population large enough. The same could be said however for people that are living in Ireland or the UK. A news report I dug up on the BBC tallies with what you are saying but are a lot of poeple living in fear ? Perhaps a lot of people are bisexual? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11398629

If I was a TD myself I would do what should be done and look for what is right ...

[Monetpenny]

Fluffy,
But when a TD looks at this, how does he decide what is right?
Is it right that he supports civil rights or is it right that he gives himself the best chance of being re-elected?
A politician's raison d'être is to get re-elected.
If I was the political advisor to a mature rural TD I would advise him to limpet to the RCC, denounce the abomination of homosexuality, raise hysteria about farmers losing their holdings to gay fellows with tight trousers & no socks from the cities & oppose gay marriage.
It is a completely different situation for younger urban TDs.
I believe there is a significant urban/rural divide on this issue or more accurately TDs will convince themselves that it is an urban/rural issue & they will do what is advantageous to them.

This fight will get nasty.
It should not be.
It should not even be a fight.
I don't believe there is any need for a debate.

But the RCC have not gone away.
It is one thing covering up deviant priests but it is another thing entirely keeping quiet on gay marriage.
The RCC have been in the scaremongering business since its inception & to show it has any modern relevance & a future in Ireland it will vehemently oppose this proposal.

The superstitious who habitually attend veneration will follow suit & oppose gay marriage.

I hope you win the fight & as of now I think you will.
But the unknown quantity is how undignified the RCC & rural conservatism will get.