The Scold's Bridle

[bernadette]

Unless you're a freemason and taken their oath you need'nt worry.

As a self confessed ''learner'' take it from a guy who knows alot about the ''old ways'' that things have changed since then in that some rituals can't be performed anymore as, however good your intent, demonic underworld entities pollute the grove turning it from Seelie [good] to unseelie [evil]

Planting geranium is one thing, progress up the higher ritual rungs of the ladder requires the oath and with or without that there are consequences if you venture were you should'nt be.

I doubt you would be even slightly interested in how to control underworld entities so you've little to worry about.
Would'nt have been so long ago you'd be jailed, burned at the stake or dunked for planting round hill forts so whatever you feel you have been ''freely given'' did have a consequence and probably still does if mentioned in the wrong place.,

My goodness you're bloodthirsty. I don't see the old ways as something to be feared, or abused. Whatever was done in the past was done by people and ultimately people must take responsibility for their actions. If Druids or any group thought blood sacrifice was necessary? that was their decision.

I planted flowers to brighten the mound and I think it was appreciated, for eg. there were no buttercups on the mound before I planted the geraniums and other plants. Its a big garden and it seems the butter cups spread. Or one could look at it in a more fanciful, romantic way.

And a misunderstanding. Looking back far from giving I've been on the receiving end... Troublesome, ungrateful pups.

I like your suggestion re mistletoe I must, absolutely must get some. I think it is a plant of power I like it and hopefully the old ones would appreciate it.

Can I just mention that the Craft is not a part of any other religion.

[Trow]

My goodness you're bloodthirsty. I don't see the old ways as something to be feared, or abused. Whatever was done in the past was done by people and ultimately people must take responsibility for their actions. If Druids or any group thought blood sacrifice was necessary? that was their decision.

I planted flowers to brighten the mound and I think it was appreciated, for eg. there were no buttercups on the mound before I planted the geraniums and other plants. Its a big garden and it seems the butter cups spread. Or one could look at it in a more fanciful, romantic way.

And a misunderstanding. Looking back far from giving I've been on the receiving end... Troublesome, ungrateful pups.

I like your suggestion re mistletoe I must, absolutely must get some. I think it is a plant of power I like it and hopefully the old ones would appreciate it.

Can I just mention that the Craft is not a part of any other religion.

Not bloodthirsty Bernadette just learned. The hard way. I came into all this innocently and got the underworld demons full in the face so did the rest of my family.

You're hardly likely to start digging into the mound and i'm sure the things you do in your spirited way will be appreciated. Were Oak is concerned you can't go wrong with the Mistletoe.

I think we've debased Andrew 49's thread [apology]

Best to conclude with the ''consequence'' of being outcasted by the local Druid.
For the rest of your life the offender would wear black and be shunned by the community. Whatever good they done was never recognised and upon death they would be buried were their grave would continually stepped upon.

Stay well everyone. Trow gone.

[bernadette]

Not bloodthirsty Bernadette just learned. The hard way. I came into all this innocently and got the underworld demons full in the face so did the rest of my family.

You're hardly likely to start digging into the mound and i'm sure the things you do in your spirited way will be appreciated. Were Oak is concerned you can't go wrong with the Mistletoe.

I think we've debased Andrew 49's thread [apology]

Best to conclude with the ''consequence'' of being outcasted by the local Druid.
For the rest of your life the offender would wear black and be shunned by the community. Whatever good they done was never recognised and upon death they would be buried were their grave would continually stepped upon.

Stay well everyone. Trow gone.

Its a form of whataboutery, but its also about power and power over women and over all weaker people is what I think all the implements of torture were and still are about.

One thing. I see the ring fort as old and rugged. Not mine, or anyones.

I'm not Drui which is not to say that I don't respect their right to believe, but I don't share it. I'm not afraid of it or any religion perhaps because I've lived in another country for so many years.

Blessings Trow may you grow beyond your fear.

[Trow]

Its a form of whataboutery, but its also about power and power over women and over all weaker people is what I think all the implements of torture were and still are about.

One thing. I see the ring fort as old and rugged. Not mine, or anyones.

I'm not Drui which is not to say that I don't respect their right to believe, but I don't share it. I'm not afraid of it or any religion perhaps because I've lived in another country for so many years.

Blessings Trow may you grow beyond your fear.

Well, in my culture and practice Women are equal to men. That's why there were and still are Gods and Goddesses.

You are right about the ring fort and that's how it should be viewed and respected. Often you will find that if you have worked the land surrounding it then blessed you be because if there's anyone buried there they'll have done the same.

That fort was most likely constructed by the Celts of old Ireland and they would have adhered to the Brehon laws of the day. ''If'' there is a practising Drui buried there then by ritual in death his dog will also be buried there for the purpose of protecting it.

Were you to steal or damage anything you'll get a visit from the dog which is discussed and explained in my Supernatural thread.

There's no fear left in me Bernadette, not since i was able to separate Christianity's interpretation of evil and apply logic in understanding how and why this apparent demonic dog and Trow exist. [Trow are of the underworld also]

Your kind of ''Craft'' is probably harmless, all i am saying to you is don't be tempted, should you think you know how, to perform evoking rituals at the fort because simply put you'll unleash something upon yourself and your family and others that will wreck havoc.

I've linked you to that book earlier, although it is all Lore, if you were to read through it and find the common denominator in ritual magic throughout various civilizations and cultures then you will come to know more about that ring fort.

I'll help you develop your flower arrangement adhering to the ''old ways'' round that fort if you'll understand that it is just as important to me to see and know it is protected, respected and preserved as it is to you.

I'm going to begin a thread were we can discuss all this and share eachothers culture, practice and beliefs. See you there soon.

[Trow]

You know Bernadette it would appear at times that i have given you a ''scolding'' and that be my Drui spake.
It's not that you are a Woman nor i seek to put you in your place.

In the ''old days'' it would have been a crack with the staff on the backside by the Druid from the age of a child.

Whether you choose to believe it or not there are also plants you should'nt plant and things you should'nt do and times when you best not venture there and don't give me the ''your not afraid'' or ''don't believe'' quotes because i'm unconvinced after hearing you keep two horse shoes.

Useless for protection in lightening. [You'd know all about forces beyond your control should you connect with that in your hand] Or it came flying through your window at great speed. Best stick with the flint arrowhead capped with silver.

Not knocking your craft or anything either, just letting you know you gotta know the limitations. Same rules for everyone.

It's when the Autumn and Winter comes especially that are the most dangerous times round hill forts, groves etc. or Courts as while you've been away or down the ages little witches covens and the unlearned playing with ''energy'' sort of messed up the chi of some places and if so there will come a time that the residue of that comes round again. Annually, Seasonally and at other times.

I am not above you Bernadette. You have your craft and i have my ''authority'' in the sense that if that is a celtic burial mound then the same things will have been taught to those buried there whether you believe or not.

Trust me on the Mistletoe though.

[bernadette]

You know Bernadette it would appear at times that i have given you a ''scolding'' and that be my Drui spake.
It's not that you are a Woman nor i seek to put you in your place.

In the ''old days'' it would have been a crack with the staff on the backside by the Druid from the age of a child.

Whether you choose to believe it or not there are also plants you should'nt plant and things you should'nt do and times when you best not venture there and don't give me the ''your not afraid'' or ''don't believe'' quotes because i'm unconvinced after hearing you keep two horse shoes.

Useless for protection in lightening. [You'd know all about forces beyond your control should you connect with that in your hand] Or it came flying through your window at great speed. Best stick with the flint arrowhead capped with silver.

Not knocking your craft or anything either, just letting you know you gotta know the limitations. Same rules for everyone.

It's when the Autumn and Winter comes especially that are the most dangerous times round hill forts, groves etc. or Courts as while you've been away or down the ages little witches covens and the unlearned playing with ''energy'' sort of messed up the chi of some places and if so there will come a time that the residue of that comes round again. Annually, Seasonally and at other times.

I am not above you Bernadette. You have your craft and i have my ''authority'' in the sense that if that is a celtic burial mound then the same things will have been taught to those buried there whether you believe or not.

Trust me on the Mistletoe though.

The problem with referring to an 'old time' punishment is that a modern woman reaches for the nearest, heavy blunt object, usually with malice aforethought!

I think if there is a clash its in what and the way we believe. I never take anything, site, whatever for granted and I strongly believe each is entitled to their own beliefs up to and including Catholicism, not Islam though, I see that as anti female and centuries away from growing up.

I value your opinion Trow. I have no problem with your beliefs as expressed to me or any of your comments to others I've come across here. I think you have much to teach and perhaps you should start to write your experiences that you may see and perhaps allow others to do the same. Perhaps you already do that...If you do I would be fascinated to read it.

You issue warnings and that leads me to think you have been scarred by encounters you may have sought.. I don't seek encounters. I may put a bowl of milk and bread out on cold nights. I don't watch to see who or if anyone drinks it!

Essentially I believe in nature. In our and the earths fertility. I believe in the circle, the trinity, the real one, and I also believe there is much we have to learn.

Thanks for the posts Trow. I'm enjoying reading them, never think I'm not.

I forgot the Hawthorn! The oaks stand side by side with the Hawthorn, they surround the fort and my garden!

[Ephilant]

... I strongly believe each is entitled to their own beliefs up to and including Catholicism, not Islam though,...

A little contradiction here, no?

[bernadette]

A little contradiction here, no?

Look upon it as the exception that proves the rule.

Hello Trow

I'm determined to get mistletoe and look forward to your new thread