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    In Nov 2011t official Ireland finally revealed the colonial status that many of us had suspected for years, with national budgets being submitted to Germany years before being proposed to Ireland's own parliament. According to official Ireland, this is not a failure; we have actually progressed into this multicultural nirvana as a fiefdom of the world's most aggressive nation (see, for example Goldhagen "Hitler's willing Executioners - Vintage, 1997 - it is also a matter of public record that Ireland's Minister of finance had personal investments in German state bonds, to mature in 2020). What I'm going to look at here is the various mechanisms that substituted for responsible administration to lead us to this pass.

    The critical mechanisms arise from the strange congeries of English common law and a theocratic constitution that passes for a “legal” system in Ireland. The latter allows a dearth of individual rights; the former– paradoxically developed in the absence of a written constitution - accentuates the adversarial ethos . Specifically, a common mechanism is for the state to refuse to prosecute an offense, leaving an unfunded individual alone against the gargantuan law firms in which Ireland abounds. This trick is the “statute of limitations”; the complaint resides on a bureaucrat's desk until it's too late and the individual has to seek redress through the civil courts for what was actually a criminal offense

    Nor is there any search for “justice”. In fact, the paradigmatic event is one in which the plaintiff ends up with a placard outside the Irish parliament as the complaint grinds through the courts. The plaintiff's life is now effectively over; the Irish “state” has gained a new scapegoat. Outside Leinster house in the cold, the scapegoat plays the same role for the state as the nuns of the perpetual adoration play for the Catholic church as they gaze at the empty tabernacle. Jesus will have returned well before anything like a real democracy obtains in Ireland. Ireland urgently needs a civil law code ( a la Code Napoleon) to replace the current bewigged farce in which law is used as an instrument to buttress the privileges of the now small minority who constitute the ruling class. .

    The structure of what was planned from the mid-90's is now clear, as the tide goes out and as Warren Buffet put it, we find out who's naked. Civil society was to be assimilated to the state and the more lucrative parts in turn assigned to scum close to government. The classical example of this is IMRO, which has done far more damage to Ireland's musical culture even than Cromwell by over-charging venues and stealing copyrights.

    Copyright law is not applied in Ireland;

    http://www.lindascales.com/publications/

    IMRO used this to create perhaps the greatest haven of dummy bank accounts in Europe (see below). Scum close to Bertie Ahern were allowed a field day. DCU is the converse whereby a state institution was allowed to behave outside the law independently of any accountability.

    In all, there is no enforcement for white-collar crime in Ireland; this is the main reason why the criminals at Anglo and the other banks so blithely engaged in money-laundering for the mafia in Austria, inter alia. The “double Irish” is a tax scam to ensure that multinationals could cook their books to avail of low Irish corporation tax. Here are a few others;

    The “beef tribunal”

    A journalist (Susan O'Keefe) points out irregularities in Ireland's biggest industry that clearly require a criminal investigation and remedy. Instead, a tribunal is convened, with massive payouts for Ireland's troglodyte legal profession. Everyone is exonerated, except Susan O'Keefe, who undergoes prosecution. Eventually, at least one of the wronged beef processors successfully sues the department of agriculture. Larry Goodman, the main offender, is soon back in pole position. The “beef tribunal” has proved very useful and was later reduplicated in the Moriarty and Flood tribunals. When one of the protagonists got too antsy, he died in a mysterious Moscow car crash.

    The “IMRO”

    In this case, on foot of complaints from a number of musicians, Gardai find a trove of dummy song registrations (almost certainly used to launder money), and theft of copyright by IMRO's chair, the Ahern camp-follower Shay Hennessy, whose job it is to protect them (admittedly a minor sin in this fetid context). A nexus of already dissolved companies (including one owned by U2) is allowed to continue to trade, both in Ireland and internationally, for over a decade past dissolution. This license is given directly by Paul Appleby, head of corp. enforcement in Ireland,who indeed gives evidence for the losing side in a US federal court case

    http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...28656/68/0.pdf


    In this case, we got close; the Sunday Independent was compelled by the government to run a story saying there were to be no prosecutions. As an afterthought, the Gardai were so informed several weeks later. We since forced the sindo to remove the story;

    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...es-491006.html


    Yes – we 404ed it. See also

    http://seanonuallain.com/id2.html

    The “Brendan Smyth”

    Again, this is one of the less subtle mechanisms, involving as it does kicking a book of evidence under the table for so long that a coalition government fell. It is the “statute of limitations” applied just a little too unsubtly. It is,likely that a similar misapplication will bring down the current awful government within a year, as it seems hellbound on covering up the scams of its predecessor – probably on the advice of the “senior” and fantastically wealthy apparat of the Irish state.

    The Hanrahan/Arthur Cox

    This is described in a brilliant little document called “The Red book”;

    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Red-Book-Hanrahan-Against-Merck/dp/1853711675"]Amazon.com: The Red Book: The Hanrahan Case Against Merck, Sharp and Dohme (9781853711671): Jerry O'Callaghan: Books[/ame]

    In this case, a Tipperary farmer was having his livelihood destroyed by discharges from a Merck outlet. He won a supreme court case; Arthur Cox, on the losing side, cashed in handsomely. This probably led Cox to their crowning mechanism, the DCU, in which they lose EVERYTHING – except money!

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    One thing that is true enough in Ireland is that the biggest frauds in Ireland are all signed off and escorted in and on the way out by the Irish legal profession.

    If you are going for bigtime fraud in Ireland you are advised to have a barrister on board on the way in and definitely should have one on the way out.

    There is no way Ireland could be as corrupt as it is and has been since the foundation of the modern state without the assistance of the alumni of Kings Inn.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    No one in ANY paid permanent senior position has to account for their decisions.
    Or more importantly describe in detail and from what sources they arrived at their decision.
    No fear or expectation of any accountability.
    And thats why we are a German vassal state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpc View Post
    No one in ANY paid permanent senior position has to account for their decisions.
    Or more importantly describe in detail and from what sources they arrived at their decision.
    No fear or expectation of any accountability.
    And thats why we are a German vassal state.
    Spot on.

    Even when judicially reviewing a judge, he or she doesn't have to issue a statement to confirm or deny what is alleged. The clerk usually submits a statement. No bloody accountability whatsoever.

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    To the sort of 1950s mentality in the nexus between the state and politics in Ireland which in the main are products of a 1950s mentality in the same schools a memo expressed in anything other than Edwardian praise is a personal disaster.


    They don't live in the same world as people who have to work or make it off effort and acquired skills.

    It always was a cut off society in many ways. There was never a hope of them ever evading any European policy of slicing and dicing the Irish state and making it a vassal. Even those who did understand the risks and they were few would not have spoken up as they are firmly of the camp which understands that if you say nothing you cannot be criticised for what you haven't said.

    The tribe of Secretary Generals across Irish Government departments and the judiciary are psychological throwbacks to a 1950s mentality at best- even Lenihan with his ludicrous attempt to tell Credit Suisse analysts in London that money couldn't flow across water was a clear insight into this gentleman farmer type who infest the higher reaches of the state.

    Think Martin Mansergh without the yelps and you have it. Even Kevin Cardiff who was supposedly educated in the States showed absolutely no sign of being any different in mentality than the 1950s civil servant standing on a non-existent dignity which was a thinly disguised sense of entitlement.

    Imagine those eejits trying to outthink the speculators on the bond yields when we were in the market. Not a hope. I don't think they even understand the modern world- because they never had to.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    To the sort of 1950s mentality in the nexus between the state and politics in Ireland which in the main are products of a 1950s mentality in the same schools a memo expressed in anything other than Edwardian praise is a personal disaster.


    They don't live in the same world as people who have to work or make it off effort and acquired skills.

    It always was a cut off society in many ways. There was never a hope of them ever evading any European policy of slicing and dicing the Irish state and making it a vassal. Even those who did understand the risks and they were few would not have spoken up as they are firmly of the camp which understands that if you say nothing you cannot be criticised for what you haven't said.

    The tribe of Secretary Generals across Irish Government departments and the judiciary are psychological throwbacks to a 1950s mentality at best- even Lenihan with his ludicrous attempt to tell Credit Suisse analysts in London that money couldn't flow across water was a clear insight into this gentleman farmer type who infest the higher reaches of the state.

    Think Martin Mansergh without the yelps and you have it. Even Kevin Cardiff who was supposedly educated in the States showed absolutely no sign of being any different in mentality than the 1950s civil servant standing on a non-existent dignity which was a thinly disguised sense of entitlement.

    Imagine those eejits trying to outthink the speculators on the bond yields when we were in the market. Not a hope. I don't think they even understand the modern world- because they never had to.
    Thats about the sum of it.
    Once these "chaps" enter the system they stay on for the ride to a comfortable career.
    And you don't do anything to put the gravy train off the tracks.
    Be interested to hear TK Whitaker's thoughts on the "development" of the system.

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