Another referendum on EU fiscal convergence in 2012?

[C. Flower]

there will be proposals from the commission for this treaty before next 2014 election. So as to have a debate.
Sparkes will fly between ms and meps.......
In some circumstances.

"ms" ?

[Greengoddess]

"ms" ?

Sorry: member states. (MS) ie, governments . Some in coalition where the eu Party of one may disagree with eu Party of the other! Mind you we are not yet in a position to disagree with anything so expect Labour will have to go along with powers -that- be but Labour MEPS will not do this.
At least it will be an exciting election. Or maybe not, since I am often told that policy is of no interest. Neither is ideology. But it depends on how you explain it. Not by mega power points anyway .

[MPB]

There will be proposals from the commission for this Treaty before next 2014 election. So as to have a debate.
Sparkes will fly between MS and MEPS.......
In some circumstances.

MEPs? Oh I remember them now. They are the people we pay fortunes to, so they can be invisible and totally useless.

Maybe next time round, we can have elections to the ECB rather than the defunct European Parliament.

You lot should be ashamed of yourselves. With the honourable exception of Nigel Farage, who has seen through this scam from the start.

[Greengoddess]

MEPs? Oh I remember them now. They are the people we pay fortunes to, so they can be invisible and totally useless.

Maybe next time round, we can have elections to the ECB rather than the defunct European Parliament.

You lot should be ashamed of yourselves. With the honourable exception of Nigel Farage, who has seen through this scam from the start.

Mr Farage is it? Now I see where you are coming from.

[MPB]

Mr Farage is it? Now I see where you are coming from.

No you don,t. You are not bright enough.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

MPB, none of us are particularly happy with representational politics at Supra or national level but I don't think it is right to have a pop at one of the few who is trying to counter that and visibly doing so...

GG isn't the institution or the problem with all due respect...

[Greengoddess]

MPB, none of us are particularly happy with representational politics at Supra or national level but I don't think it is right to have a pop at one of the few who is trying to counter that and visibly doing so...

GG isn't the institution or the problem with all due respect...

Well, MPB is a fan of Farage, who is very entertaining but given to hyperbole of insults.
Re my intelligence, I shall go and stand in the corner!

[MPB]

Apologies I withdraw that remark about brightness. Sorry Greengodess and I appreciate that you are not the problem.

But if you wish to represent us at European level, you could table a question highlighting what the Banks are doing with the bailout money and ECB emergency liquidity, they are receiving.

They are using this money to speculate on energy prices, food prices, soveriegn bond rates and on the future of other banks.

They are using the money to drive up the costs of living and drive economies into the ground.

It is about time our elected representitives stood up for us and started to point out the glaringly obvious.

[DCon]

Unless I am reading this incorrectly, Barosso seems to favour more referenda over Government rubber stamping

He called for a clean break with how treaty changes have been pushed through in the past, saying they should win direct popular backing and not be pushed through with the "implicit consent" of citizens.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...876874484.html

[MPB]

Unless I am reading this incorrectly, Barosso seems to favour more referenda over Government rubber stamping




http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...876874484.html

They used to call it democracy. It was very popular back in the day.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Do they envisage using electronic voting machines, by any chance. I wonder how much money is spent between the European Union institutions on 'connecting and communicating with' citizens and yet suggest a referendum or a vote on convergence towards a federal state anywhere in the Union and they will spend just as much money again denying any such expression of opinion is necessary.

Historically, the European Union may be the world's first arse backwards attempt at totalitarianism. First the repression, then set up the Empire.

Unusual.

Then again they have a liking for doing things arsebackwards in Brussels and Strasbourg. First a common currency and THEN political union. That may also be a historical first.

Can't get their books signed off even by going down a list of the most corrupt facilitating professions either- accountants. What does it say about the EU institutions when even the likes of the major accountancy houses won't even touch their books with a shytty stick.

[Apjp]

In the coming years places like Norway, Switzerland and Iceland may be political safehavens from whats to come. I'm particularly worried about our loss of neutrality. We're living in the 1930s. Going through a phase now similar to 1929-30.

[PaddyJoe]

The carefully calibrated campaign to take decisions on European issues out of the hands of the people restarts in the Irish Times. This time economics professor at TCD, John O'Hagen, argues the usual case that, in effect, Irish people are too thick to understand the complex issues involved and that in any case they are really voting on something completely unrelated.

This is particularly worrying when many may have voted in the referendum on some aspect of Irish government policy totally unrelated to the EU issue on the ballot paper.

Given the extreme seriousness of the present euro zone banking and sovereign debt crisis, it seems extraordinary that the democratically elected government of the day is so constrained in responding to the crisis in a timely and effective way.

The case for parliamentary democracy, as opposed to that of direct democracy via plebiscite, needs to be reasserted, especially in relation to the complex and urgent financial issues associated with the current euro zone crisis

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...4.html?via=rel

[MPB]

The carefully calibrated campaign to take decisions on European issues out of the hands of the people restarts in the Irish Times. This time economics professor at TCD, John O'Hagen, argues the usual case that, in effect, Irish people are too thick to understand the complex issues involved and that in any case they are really voting on something completely unrelated.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...4.html?via=rel

What he fails to realise is that the democratically elected Govts were not elected to decide on issues that are to do with Europe.

They are elected based on national issues and even then they are allowed to lie and not suffer the consequences.

How can we let proven liars make important decisions on our behalf?

The logic of O Hagen is astonishing. And considering he moulds the minds of our future economists, it is just frightening.