A VERY personal reason for why Israel's deputy ambassador to Ireland should be expelled immediately

[fluffybiscuits]

Last night, live on NET TV, the Greek state braodcaster, ex minister for foreign affairs Dora Bakoyannis shocked the nation by describing her opponents as "kolomparistika".
I will leave it up to you to find out what exactly this means, suffice to say it is the most offensively vulgar way of describing somebody as gay. The use of this word is way across the line you don't cross, for any reason. But coming from somebody who is seeking office and has ministerial ambitions, it is totally unacceptable.
anybody feeling they want to tackle her over this, here is where you can do this
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dora-B...15861695091157

Nothing new there , this type of lark is ever present. I dont mind people calling something gay if I am with friends as I know its just a term used not perjoratively towards people but used to describe an object in a negative sense. The use of it though nationwide and as a term is akin to calling something "queer" or "faggot" (the latter being a word I hate completely). To use it to describe a person however is reprehensible in my eyes, it indicates a person is lacking in some sort of mental agility (in other words us gays are slow or sick in the head). Israel should reprimand the ambassador and as for the incident in Greece she should be charged with hate crimes if it exists on the statute books in Greece.

[WhistleblowerIRL]

Nothing new there , this type of lark is ever present. I dont mind people calling something gay if I am with friends as I know its just a term used not perjoratively towards people but used to describe an object in a negative sense. The use of it though nationwide and as a term is akin to calling something "queer" or "faggot" (the latter being a word I hate completely). To use it to describe a person however is reprehensible in my eyes, it indicates a person is lacking in some sort of mental agility (in other words us gays are slow or sick in the head). Israel should reprimand the ambassador and as for the incident in Greece she should be charged with hate crimes if it exists on the statute books in Greece.

Fluffy, here is another news item from Israel's Channel 10 yesterday - this time regarding Anastasia Michaeli, MK (Member of Knesset, i.e. TD) who is a member of the parliamentary 'Committee for the Promotion of Woman's Rights' (my own loose translation from Hebrew). MK Michaeli said gay people are 'poor souls' who "tend to commit suicide at the age of 40"... The image below shows MK Michaeli as a fortune teller predicting the man's death at 40...



http://net.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=903856

[fluffybiscuits]

Fluffy, here is another news item from Israel's Channel 10 yesterday - this time regarding Anastasia Michaeli, MK (Member of Knesset, i.e. TD) who is a member of the parliamentary 'Committee for the Promotion of Woman's Rights' (my own loose translation from Hebrew). MK Michaeli said gay people are 'poor souls' who "tend to commit suicide at the age of 40"... The image below shows MK Michaeli as a fortune teller predicting the man's death at 40...



http://net.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=903856

She should join the DUP here in Ireland, Im sure they would love her. Been researching some of this and the government in Israel wont speak out against such issues in the case of Shimon Peres who chose to speak out against pride in Israel a couple of years ago (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...nment-1.223616) . The lack of condemnation from any quarters in Israel (if I am wrong I do apologise) is shocking but not surprising considering the record of the past governments. You would wonder why the LGBT community doesnt take up arms to fight for its rights...

[PaddyJoe]

The following news item has been published in the last 24 hours:





Just in case I am one of the Israelis that Mrs. Tinari-Modai has in mind, I would like to clarify the following:

1. I have been a proud member of the Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign for a good number of years. Here is the the proof:

http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/...php?auid=11634



2. I have taken great pride in my involvement with the Pro-Palestian cause. Here is one example:

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.c...r-in-gaza.html



3. Yes, indeed, I come from a rather dysfunctional home. My father was a proud Likud supporter, so much so that Israel's current fascist Prime-Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, held one of his first public gatherings in our garden in Ramat Hasharon, shortly after he returned from being Israel's ambassador to the UN. My mother was an ardent supporter of Apartheid South-Africa and and worked as the secretary to South-Africa's ambassador to Tel-Aviv in the mid-late 70's. She was so good at her job, she was actually approached on behalf of Israel's current president, Shimon Peres (of the so-called left-wing Labour party), to become his English speech writer.



4. If my sexual preferences are any concern of Mrs. Tinari-Modai, or her husband, His Excellency Ambassador Modai, as representatives of the State of Israel, please feel free to discuss them with the Ministry of Health of the Republic of Ireland, or your local psychologist. I am now a proud Irish citizen.



5. Here is my photograph, just to save you the trouble of 'naming and shaming' me:

Well done Jonathan for taking a stand on this. This is a piece of nastiness that should have the ambassador in Gilmore's office on Monday morning.

[WhistleblowerIRL]

...The lack of condemnation from any quarters in Israel (if I am wrong I do apologise) is shocking but not surprising considering the record of the past governments. You would wonder why the LGBT community doesnt take up arms to fight for its rights...

I fully agree Fluffy. Apart for one organisation called 'Kvisa Shchora' (Black laundry), the rest of the LGBT community in Israel is too busy having a good time to care. Tel-Aviv is now considered the 'in' place for many gay European tourists. They all fail to notice that the hedonistic pleasures of gay Tel-Aviv are reserved for Jewish Israelis only and the happily ignorant visiting tourists. Some years ago at the Front Lounge on Dublin's Parliament Street I was horrified to see a young Irish man sporting and Israeli army T-shirt. I walked up to him and told him that the IDF symbol is the material of nightmares for me and millions of people. He told me that it was the material of his dreams...

[WhistleblowerIRL]

Binn Beal, Seán Ryan & Paddy Joe,

THANK YOU

Jonathan

[C. Flower]

The Irish Times reported on the emails, but I haven't seen any Government reaction.
If it wasn't for David Norris there would have been no public response.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...317876949.html

The emails were suggesting a campaign of harrassment of people living in Ireland.

Gilmore should respond to this.

[Lapsedmethodist]

When Palestine is free from the Jordan to the sea you'll be in the same position , Jonathan, and have the same choices, as Protestants did in the early days of the Free State , to wit run, get killed or sit tight and very quiet and put up with Roman Catholic Law- or in your case Sharia Law. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Gay Pride and Sharia don't seem to get along.

[C. Flower]

When Palestine is free from the Jordan to the sea you'll be in the same position , Jonathan, and have the same choices, as Protestants did in the early days of the Free State , to wit run, get killed or sit tight and very quiet and put up with Roman Catholic Law- or in your case Sharia Law. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Gay Pride and Sharia don't seem to get along.

Jonathan, as an Irish citizen, does indeed have to put up with Roman Catholic law.

And your view of the Deputy Ambassador's email?

[fluffybiscuits]

When Palestine is free from the Jordan to the sea you'll be in the same position , Jonathan, and have the same choices, as Protestants did in the early days of the Free State , to wit run, get killed or sit tight and very quiet and put up with Roman Catholic Law- or in your case Sharia Law. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Gay Pride and Sharia don't seem to get along.

You are making the inferrence there between Sharia law being the sole influence on law in Palestine there. There are many different facets to it as detailed here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_law (Ok being wikipedia it only gives a basic understanding you catch my drift). The remarks by the diplomat are in no way acceptable to myself being a member of the LGBT community. Lapsed, you would be better attacking the point made of is the remark acceptable instead of going off in a tangent a chara ....

[Lapsedmethodist]

Jonathan, as an Irish citizen, does indeed have to put up with Roman Catholic law.

And your view of the Deputy Ambassador's email?

Nuts.

[C. Flower]

Nuts.

It can't be denied.

Was she sent to us as some kind of a bizarre punishment ?

[yehbut_nobut]

“The activity of those activists against the state is, in my evaluation, not necessarily ideological (!) but grounded in psychological reasons, (generally of disappointment with the parents, [or] sexual identity problems) or the need to obtain a residency visa in one of the countries in Europe,”

Tinari Modai is obviously just a frustrated lesbian with deep rooted anger at her mother. It's called transference.

[WhistleblowerIRL]

Tinari Modai is obviously just a frustrated lesbian with deep rooted anger at her mother. It's called transference.

On that note, I am reminded of something I read a while ago by Ella Shohat - a professor of sociology who grew up in Israel as a 'black' (Mizrahi) Jew and who has written extensively about Israel during her career in the USA.

"Zionism was not only a political and ideological project but a sexual one, obsessed with Jewish masculinity and especially the Jewish male body...

In fin de siecle anti-Semitic scientific-medical discourse, the male Jew's body was associated with disease, madness, degeneracy, sexual perversity, and femininity, as well as with homosexuality...

Thinkers such as Theodor Herzl and Max Nordau were convinced that the invention of a stronger, healthier heterosexual "Jewry of Muscles" would not only overcome the stereotype of the Jewish male as a "third sex", a homosexual, but would solve the economic, political and national problems of the Jewish people. Unlike the passive, ugly, fem [inin] Diasporic Jewish male, the new Zionist heterosexual man would engage in manual labour, athletics, and war, becoming the colonialist-explorer in touch with the land and his body. The notion of a new Jewish masculinity became the model for the militarized masculine Sabra - the native-born Israeli in Eretz Israel [the land of Israel]."

See page 3 of the file in the link:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/210137/Hom...Israeli-Cinema

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Shohat

I suppose this means the Mossad still prefers Zionists to Homosexualists....

You'll have to come up with a better suggestion, Mrs. Tinari-Modai.

[C. Flower]

On that note, I am reminded of something I read a while ago by Ella Shohat - a professor of sociology who grew up in Israel as a 'black' (Mizrahi) Jew and who has written extensively about Israel during her career in the USA.

I suppose this means the Mossad still prefers Zionists to Homosexualists....

You'll have to come up with a better suggestion, Mrs. Tinari-Modai.

Yes - I'm not usually very taken by psychological approaches to social behaviour, but that kind of makes sense.

But is there a "pioneering/genocidal spirit" thing going on there too - thinking of South Africa and the U.S., where indigenous populations were displaced in favour of settlers with guns and a macho image of themselves?