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    Such as economic data aren't workable as they don't account for real life out there mostly hidden costs.

    A storm in a teacup. I would say it was staged news management given the fact it was known since 25th May. It's all distraction distraction as FG must be mightly pleased re coverage.

    Kenysenian economics are now suspect as EU austerity policies aren't working. Most of the economists are working in public institutions paid for by the taxpayer- govt. Very few private economists not afraid to speak out.

    ESRI is govt's unofficial mouthpiece for a good while as it's not surprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Good work by Michael Taft.

    26 people for every 1 job going in the EU. 2005-6, the time the data for the report was collected, there was virtually full employment, so it proves that people weren't deterred from working.

    The real problem is that a lot of people have low incomes, and medical and childcare expenses in Ireland are astronomic.

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    There was and is no epidemic of idleness sweeping the country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Lucey describes Frances Ruane as seasoned. I'm sure she won't appreciate that!
    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Look at the sort of Ireland "bossbutteringbee" is fantasising about in his comment on Lucey's blog.

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    Ruane's connection to ex AG Paui Gallagher ...brother in law. So much for these connections.

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    A guy from the ESRI has just been on RTE saying the government should NOT invest in a Stimulus for the economy to generate employment when we have 450,000 on the dole.

    Surely the ESRI should be closed down and add these idiots to the dole queues.
    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”

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    Absolutely agree with you there. How much are we paying for this quango?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    A guy from the ESRI has just been on RTE saying the government should NOT invest in a Stimulus for the economy to generate employment when we have 450,000 on the dole.

    Surely the ESRI should be closed down and add these idiots to the dole queues.
    For once they have a point. Selling off say, the ECB, will just redirect cash/profits from Ireland to whichever large non-Irish energy company buys it.
    There would be a net loss.

    The idea of "investing in jobs" is delusory. In the present system the only jobs that are sustainable are those in which the company is making a profit. You can't go out and buy jobs.

    What could be done is to lower energy prices and telecomms - privatisation led to us having the highest telecom prices and one of the worst services in Europe. We could end upward only rent reviews - but that would make the banks go bust faster.

    Money could be used to cut corporation tax etc. to make Ireland a bigger tax haven than it is already -
    We might manage to take a few jobs that might otherwise go elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    For once they have a point. Selling off say, the ECB, will just redirect cash/profits from Ireland to whichever large non-Irish energy company buys it.
    There would be a net loss.

    The idea of "investing in jobs" is delusory. In the present system the only jobs that are sustainable are those in which the company is making a profit. You can't go out and buy jobs.

    What could be done is to lower energy prices and telecomms - privatisation led to us having the highest telecom prices and one of the worst services in Europe. We could end upward only rent reviews - but that would make the banks go bust faster.

    Money could be used to cut corporation tax etc. to make Ireland a bigger tax haven than it is already -
    We might manage to take a few jobs that might otherwise go elsewhere.
    You're such a leg-puller Cactus ....... lol !!
    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”

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    If anyone would like to read Tol's own version of events he has blogged on it here and he explains the context in which the research was undertaken, namely to address an issue from earlier research on carbon use in Ireland. He also has posted the working paper removed from the ESRI website.

    Academic work is collaborative across institutions, and so there is nothing surprising in the fact that the paper would be put up for discussion on the ESRI site. Research projects continue even when researchers change jobs. They bring not only the work but the funding and occasionally a research team with them to a new institution . Instituions also are entitled to claim as 'theirs' publications of someone retired or resigned for up to two years after they leave which is very important in the rankings race that seems to obsess academia for the last 10 years.

    I find the accustions of racism against him a bit OTT. We value critique of our institutions, I would have thought.

    http://richardtol.blogspot.co.uk/201...n-ireland.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    It's just well that unemployed people don't need to eat or buy clothes or travel for job interviews
    the IBEC rep talking on News at One over the weekend, take note.

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    Tomorrow,

    ESRI report saying just one in eight are better off on the dole.

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    Press release here on the ESRI site:
    Embargo: 00:01 am Thursday 27 September 2012

    "Work Incentives: New Evidence for Ireland"

    By Tim Callan, Claire Keane, Michael Savage, John R. Walsh, Kevin Timoney (ESRI).

    Better off in work – not on the dole

    New research from the ESRI finds that 94 per cent of Irish people are better off in employment than out of work – even after taking account of childcare and travel to work costs. Of the remaining 6 per cent, even though they would be “better off on the dole”, most are actually in work.

    Over 86 per cent of those with young children, who face the highest childcare costs, are better off in work. These findings come from a major new study on work incentives in Ireland, undertaken using SWITCH, the ESRI tax benefit model, and launched at the ESRI’s Budget Perspectives Conference.

    The study analyses recent data on incomes, travel to work patterns and childcare costs, using internationally established and accepted methods. Comparison with similar studies in the UK shows that replacement rates – the ratio of out-of-work income to in-work income – are broadly similar in Ireland and the UK. Although headline unemployment benefit rates are higher in Ireland, half of the UK unemployed also receive Housing Benefit, which brings overall payments much closer. Ireland does have a higher proportion facing the very highest disincentives to work. This is mainly due to the Rent and Mortgage Supplement scheme, which provides support for housing costs to those out of work, but little or no support to those in work. Previous ESRI research also found that work incentives were undermined by this scheme, which covers 1 in 8 unemployed people, and the Troika has highlighted the need for action in this area.

    However, the study rejects the claim by the Troika that Ireland’s unemployed generally face high replacement rates by international standards. Careful analysis of the OECD database shows that Irish replacement rates are in the middle of the range for EU-15 countries. Previous analyses do not accurately represent Ireland’s position, largely because the examples chosen included Rent and Mortgage Supplement, which is given to only a small proportion of unemployed people. Excluding this supplement gives a more accurate picture and shows that Ireland is similar to many EU countries.

    Speaking at the conference, Professor Tim Callan said “Comparisons based on nationally representative samples give a more accurate picture than selected examples. Overall, we find that the unemployed face similar work incentives here to elsewhere in the EU. The very large majority are better off in work not out of work.”

    For further information please contact:

    Tim Callan (Research Professor, ESRI), tim.callan@esri.ie; +353 1 8632018;
    http://www.esri.ie/news_events/lates...013_/index.xml

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