PSNI Brothel Raids - Most Were Not Brothels - wtf?

[C. Flower]

At the time reported, this sounded dodgy. It now turns out that this was not a brothel raid at all, but a (very hit or miss) trawl of the phones and records of women working independently as prostitutes. Of approximately 100 premises raided, half were unconnected with prostitution and only a couple were actual brothels.

Hmmm...

There were no indications last week that the estimated 100 to 120 premises in the Republic raided by gardai in the joint operation last Wednesday week involved innocent people and cases of mistaken identity.

But, the PSNI is now facing a highly embarrassing and potentially very expensive legal fall-out from what appear to have been a series of botched raids based on intelligence that, in some cases, was at least a year out of date.

One of the apartments raided by the PSNI belongs to an innocent young woman journalist and her equally innocent barrister boyfriend.

The PSNI's "tactical support team" in Belfast broke down the door of their apartment and forced their way in on foot of what also appears to have been an invalid warrant.

In another case a woman was phoned at her work by a policeman who was in her home, again having smashed down her front door, saying he wished to question her about brothel keeping. The innocent woman was said to have been deeply distressed. She had bought the house in a repossession sale nearly a year ago.

Gardai said privately last week that they too were concerned about the raids and the publicity that was organised around the "joint" cross-border operation. They said that despite claims about organised prostitution rings, all the young prostitutes who were subject to raids and searches in more than 100 locations in the Republic were working independently. Only eight people, seven young women and a man in his forties, were arrested. They were released without charge.

Gardai are examining a large amount of mobile phones, laptop computers, cash and bank accounts.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...s-3133765.html

[ZeroWedge]

They (Gardai) said that despite claims about organised prostitution rings, all the young prostitutes who were subject to raids and searches in more than 100 locations in the Republic were working independently.

Proof that Ruhamas propaganda about exploitation, trafficking and slavery is total nonsense and lies.

Prosititution is a good way for single women to make a good living. It pays much more than working in a call centre or some other ordinary job, where you are bullied by corporate a$$holes and half your salary is taken in taxes.

I know lots of women who cannot possibly pay their huge mortgage on a regular job. Not to mention those people working on Jobsbridge for €50/week. Ireland needs to dump the catholic guilt about sex and legalise prostitution completely.

[C. Flower]

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Proof that Ruhamas propaganda about exploitation, trafficking and slavery is total nonsense and lies.

If this is anything to go by, they only found three possible cases of trafficking. But then, we don't know how they selected the targets.

Prosititution is a good way for single women to make a good living. It pays much more than working in a call centre or some other ordinary job, where you are bullied by corporate a$$holes and half your salary is taken in taxes.

Prostitutes are liable for taxation, I believe. Many of them are addicted, and others do it to provide better for their children.

I know lots of women who cannot possibly pay their huge mortgage on a regular job. Not to mention those people working on Jobsbridge for €50/week. Ireland needs to dump the catholic guilt about sex and legalise prostitution completely.

The same of course applies to men. But what Ireland needs to do surely is to provide conditions in which people have work of their choice, and secure housing?

[ZeroWedge]

Many of them are addicted, and others do it to provide better for their children.

East european prostitutes are not drug addicts. They do sex work, because it pays better than any other line of work, (with the exception of being in the public sector).

But what Ireland needs to do surely is to provide conditions in which people have work of their choice

Its not someone elses responsibility to provide people with "work of their choice."

Again, youre showing that leftwingers dont know what work is. Leftwingers define work based on the labour theory of value. In other words, if its difficult, it must be work. Under that definition, going to the gym would be work. Its that kind of idiocy that created the soviet union and its spectacular economic failure.

Correct thinking people define work as producing something that someone else is willing to pay money for. See the writings of Frederic Bastiat for further enlightenment.

[C. Flower]

East european prostitutes are not drug addicts. They do sex work, because it pays better than any other line of work, (with the exception of being in the public sector).

Its not someone elses responsibility to provide people with "work of their choice."

Again, youre showing that leftwingers dont know what work is. Leftwingers define work based on the labour theory of value. In other words, if its difficult, it must be work. Under that definition, going to the gym would be work. Its that kind of idiocy that created the soviet union and its spectacular economic failure.

Correct thinking people define work as producing something that someone else is willing to pay money for. See the writings of Frederic Bastiat for further enlightenment.

That is not the labour theory of value.

Work, in Marxist theory, is use of one's capacities to produce something useful. Going to the gym isn't work, it's recreation.

It's not to do with difficulty.

[ZeroWedge]

Work, in Marxist theory, is use of one's capacities to produce something useful. Going to the gym isn't work, it's recreation.

It's not to do with difficulty.

Fair enough. I agree with that.

But what is "useful"? Leftwingers think that a bureaucrat should decide what is useful and what isnt useful.

Correct thinking people understand that usefulness is decided by whether someone is willing to pay money for it, in a voluntary exchange, free of coercion. In other words, the market decides.

I can make a chair in my home out of scrap wood. I claim that it is useful. But unless someone else thinks its useful, I cannot expect to be paid for it.

Leftwingers believe it is the governments responsibility responsibility to pay me for my homemade chair, because they have designated it to be useful work.

Just like how they have designated the activities of Bord na Mona as useful and force the rest of us to pay them for it, by taxing us.

[Holly]

Internet surveillance by police is easy to gather and judges will issue warrants on the sightest evidence of activity that might implicate a citizen in lawbreaking. The initial search of people's internet activity does not require a court warrant.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

the horror, the horror, a hundred prostitutes or thereabouts and none of them apparently working under duress and only thee 'possible' traffickings. What is a 'possible' trafficking? Someone was either trafficked and working under duress or they weren't.

Jesus this is an appalling day for the moral police force and the sanctified notion of the oppressed prostitute being taken advantage of.

This is going to have to be spun as it does not fit the Ruhama and feminist template. If this is the sort of thing raids are going to turn up- people working under their own will then these raids will have to be stopped and we'll have to go back to the Jackie Smith method of research- 'Most prostitutes are trafficked. I have looked into my heart and mind and say this is so'.

[ZeroWedge]

Ruhama is a dishonest organisation. They take taxpayers money and use it to fund political campaigns. That is unconstitutional.

Ruhama have their HQ in a complex of buildings owned by the Catholic Church called Old Hallows. In this complex there is a mass grave of children who died in catholic workhouses. Their bodies were just slung into a pit and covered up. That is the foundation that Ruhama is built on.

Ruhama is a pernicious collaboration between feminism and the Roman Catholic Cult. All clear thinking people can see through their sneaky lies.

[C. Flower]

Ruhama is a dishonest organisation. They take taxpayers money and use it to fund political campaigns. That is unconstitutional.

Ruhama have their HQ in a complex of buildings owned by the Catholic Church called Old Hallows. In this complex there is a mass grave of children who died in catholic workhouses. Their bodies were just slung into a pit and covered up. That is the foundation that Ruhama is built on.

Ruhama is a pernicious collaboration between feminism and the Roman Catholic Cult. All clear thinking people can see through their sneaky lies.

You are right about the role of the Catholic Church -

Origins and development

Ruhama was founded as a joint initiative of the Good Shepherd Sisters and Our Lady of Charity Sisters, both of which had a long history of involvement with marginalised women, including those involved in prostitution.

http://www.ruhama.ie/page.php?intPageID=4

They are talking about their responsibility for the most notorious of the so-called "Magdalene Laundries" in which women and girls were exploited, working long hours for nothing.

If Ruhama is getting public funding, I agree that this is outrageous.

Do you have evidence that it is?

Bodies of women disinterred, cremated and reburied in Glasnevin in a mass grave, so that the nuns could sell of the land for development profit.

http://www.magdalenelaundries.com/news/26-11-03.htm

[ZeroWedge]

If Ruhama is getting public funding, I agree that this is outrageous.

Do you have evidence that it is?

http://www.ruhama.ie/page.php?intPageID=125

[C. Flower]

http://www.ruhama.ie/page.php?intPageID=125

Well, there's a certain logic to it. Public funds were given as grants to the Magdalene Laundries.

[riposte]

Ruhama is a made for Media organisation. The Media are engaged in spreading lies 24/7. Unfortunately, the Media don't have enough staff to make up their own lies ... so they rely on a host governmental and international quangos to supply them with a sufficient quantity of lies to fill their schedules.

It's just a fact of life! ..... Live with it.