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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/f...ay-455116.html

    Shatter is on the case again. People should be named.
    ... but they won't be named ... and the cycle of abuse and neglect will go on.
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    Reports should be banned until they have already be action-ed, they are the greatest excuse for doing nothing.
    Mr Lenihan said the guarantee was “the cheapest bailout” compared with bank rescues in other countries, including the UK and the US, where “billions and billions of taxpayers’ money are being poured into financial institutions” - October 24 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xray View Post
    Interesting post. I thought the group houses were a great thing, I knew someone who worked in one. They had a feel or normality but had the safety net there. I think as a society we just don't care. Families here look after their own, if that does not happen you are screwed.

    It is basically the same as the whole health system, it is a very dangerous business if you do not have an advocate. If a child has an advocate they would not be in care in the first place. It will be easy pick out one or two to blame here and move on, I think society needs to think long and hard about this. To think kids that this Republic is minding are on drugs in some crap B and B is a disgrace. The would be better minded by the sex trade, at least they would keep them alive.
    It's a class thing - as it was with the industrial schools and convents. Whole areas and layers of people are written off and the approach to them is "containment", or complete neglect. There's a self-fulfilling expectation by the authorities that their lives are worth very little. It shows in the health services in the same way.

    The economic collapse means that most of the population are about to experience what that feels like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    It's a class thing - as it was with the industrial schools and convents. Whole areas and layers of people are written off and the approach to them is "containment", or complete neglect. There's a self-fulfilling expectation by the authorities that their lives are worth very little. It shows in the health services in the same way.

    The economic collapse means that most of the population are about to experience what that feels like.
    Exactly.
    Mr Lenihan said the guarantee was “the cheapest bailout” compared with bank rescues in other countries, including the UK and the US, where “billions and billions of taxpayers’ money are being poured into financial institutions” - October 24 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xray View Post
    Interesting post. I thought the group houses were a great thing, I knew someone who worked in one. They had a feel or normality but had the safety net there. I think as a society we just don't care. Families here look after their own, if that does not happen you are screwed.

    It is basically the same as the whole health system, it is a very dangerous business if you do not have an advocate. If a child has an advocate they would not be in care in the first place. It will be easy pick out one or two to blame here and move on, I think society needs to think long and hard about this. To think kids that this Republic is minding are on drugs in some crap B and B is a disgrace. The would be better minded by the sex trade, at least they would keep them alive.
    You've hit a very important nail on the head here. An advocate for each child in 'the system' would be a great idea. There is already a Guardian Ad Litem facility, and I checked it out - but guess what? They will only take Social Workers to be Guardians. Now why is that? Why would you need a social science degree to have in an interest in the welfare of children? Why can't any Joe or Jane Soap (Garda vetted, obviously) monitor what's happening, even on a daily basis, to a child?

    Could it be that the under-performing social services don't want us to see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    It's a class thing - as it was with the industrial schools and convents. Whole areas and layers of people are written off and the approach to them is "containment", or complete neglect. There's a self-fulfilling expectation by the authorities that their lives are worth very little. It shows in the health services in the same way.

    The economic collapse means that most of the population are about to experience what that feels like.
    From a submission to the Child Abuse Commission and included in the Ryan Report submissions:
    In general the two Industrial Schools pursued a basic, unadorned, utilitarian objective in housing detained children. There was no standard of restorative or remedial care by which disadvantages could be addressed. In this absence, prevailing social conditions set standards and expectations by default. As a result, the social conditions which created the problem were applied as the solution. The cycle of disadvantage was confirmed.
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    Default Boy Found Dead in Ditch 24th - or 200th ? Child to Die in Our (HSE) "Care" in 10 Years

    Our outrage is great when it comes to things that happened decades ago all the better to turn a blind eye to childen abandoned today.

    This boy, according to his sisters just interviewed on RTE, was ophaned at 11, could find no school or help with literacy from 14 or home from 16 - HSE "Care" meant turning up at a police station each night to be allocated a hostel place.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...breaking3.html




    It is believed the dead man could be missing teenager Daniel McAnaspie. The 17-year-old Dubliner has been missing since February.
    Gardaí have long feared he was killed and his remains dumped.
    Daniel, from Finglas, has not been heard from since he was seen drinking in a housing estate in Blanchardstown in the early hours of Friday, February 26th.
    He was seen at about 4.30pm the previous day close to Erin’s Isle GAA club, Finglas. He then went with friends to Blanchardstown. He spent a period drinking in a house on Whitestown Avenue. He was last seen on the street with others at 3.30am.
    Extensive Garda searching has been carried out in an effort to find him and a major criminal investigation is ongoing.
    Daniel, one of six siblings and whose parents are deceased, has been described as “vulnerable”. Alan Shatter TD told the Dáil in March the teenager was in State care when he disappeared.
    Edit 20.6.12 - Report of the Independent Child Death Review Group.

    http://www.dcya.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=2172
    Last edited by C. Flower; 20-06-2012 at 08:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    Our outrage is great when it comes to things that happened decades ago all the better to turn a blind eye to childen abandoned today.
    An absolute shame.

    I agree with you. We can rage about the past, but children are having to truly fend for themselves in the HSE system.....SHAME....SHAME and there is no outrage.

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    It's a common theme in this country,state once again fails those that are most vulnerable,so in actual fact nothing has changed,just another day in Ireland.
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    This was a family of young teenagers whose parents died and the supports just weren't there for them.

    Even for middle class children, I'm not sure they're there. I know of an orphaned family where the oldest daughter, doing her leaving cert, was minding a family of four single handed. And a boy who took a farm and younger siblings when he was aged 14.

    Respect to them - but the obvious thing to do would have been to give them a home help for a few hours a day.

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    There will be an investigation - 15 people and a Chairperson. They have no bother spending money on that, but his sisters say his literacy classes were refused.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/h...se-458017.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    There will be an investigation - 15 people and a Chairperson. They have no bother spending money on that, but his sisters say his literacy classes were refused.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/h...se-458017.html
    Our goovt. can find €70bn odd for the banking system, but not the few pennies that would have guaranteed a permanent home for this now-dead young citizen. The shame is not ours, but belongs to those who run this society like so. They have a truly inhuman set of values.
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    Why do all lefties think its someone elses job to do these charitable activities? If you want worthy good works activities carried out, you have to get together with like minded people and do them yourselves. If youre not going to be bothered, why would some state bureaucrat?

    Socialism seems to be just an excuse for people to pass off their responsibility to the state.

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    The above is an attempt to pass on the states responsibilities to the public. We need to take a good look at why we cannot have a proper system for looking after children in vulnerable circumstances. This will of course take a lot of money. Which will mean higher taxes. But that is what the state is for. And we will have to pay for it. Even if it means the spoilt brats of the Celtic Tiger era who still think they NEED two holidays, this years car and the cottage in Connemara have to forsake their lifestyle.

    The only institution which made any attempt at providing for the weak and vulnerable was the Church. But then they made a hames of that. Pity, as they were the best placed to do it. So in absence of this safety net we will have to do it via the state, and that means huge costs. The only problem is - based on past experience - can the State do it? Their record is abysmally worse than the Church's. How many is that dead now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagger John View Post
    we will have to do it via the state, and that means huge costs. The only problem is - based on past experience - can the State do it? Their record is abysmally worse than the Church's. How many is that dead now?
    So you admit the state is incapable of this kind of social work, but you insist that they go ahead and waste our taxes by trying. Why not just admit the state is NOT capable of curing all human suffering.

    These kinds of problems cannot be cured by spending taxpayers money. In fact youre more likely to get results when you use charity and unpaid volunteers, because you exclude all the parasites and bureaucrats who are just in it for the money.

    State bureaucrats cannot do social work. There is no point even trying. The HSE employs 50,000 administrative bureacrats, and the service is rubbish.

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