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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    SYRIZA in giving Defence to Independent Greeks, was perhaps trying to conciliate with the US and NATO generally in the hopes that this would lessen risks of political coup against them.
    If I understood him correctly, and if my memory's not playing tricks, Ephilant suggested that giving defence to Kammenos was a way of keeping the military onside, as far as the the new government is concerned, and of diminishing dangers of a coup from that quarter. I find that plausible, so far at least.

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    If I understood him correctly, and if my memory's not playing tricks, Ephilant suggested that giving defence to Kammenos was a way of keeping the military onside, as far as the the new government is concerned, and of diminishing dangers of a coup from that quarter. I find that plausible, so far at least.
    Yes, there is talk about conciliation, I think I mentioned it myself. It will not be possible to carry out a radical socialist programme in Greece without disturbing the military and the US.

    The government seems prepared to continue with massive spending on arms, and holds the establishment line in Nato,

    That will not mean there is not a danger from the far right and military. Conciliation didn't make the Nazis go away.

    There is a risk that SYRIZA if and when it does not deliver will have left open the door for the right, or the military. Look at Egypt.
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    I would say Syriza will deliver, but the question is what they will deliver. I think Merkel is going to dig her heels in so the rest of us don't come asking for deals. I think that means Syriza will have to default. This may be for the long term best, but in the short term, whoever has €145 bn in the Greek banks can probably wave it goodbye...

    Hopefully Kammenos will act as a backstop re preventing a coup, as suggested, but they'll be needing the riot police when the banks go down. Not because of the Syriza supporters, they probably ain't got too much anyway. The people who tried to re-elect Samaras, on the other hand, have way more to lose.

    Having said all that, if they cave in to Europe, they only delay the day of reckoning, so I think they just need to grit their teeth and get on with it. One way or another, the Euro as it is, is unworkable...transfer Union or die, I'm afraid. Or at least, it needs to pare itself down to a coherent Northern core.
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    So the Syriza/ANEL coalition start negotiations with its "European partners" promising to keep in place 70% of the "reforms" - what else are they prepared to compromise on as they seek a solution within the framework of capitalism?

    http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2015/0...forms-wsj.html

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    They have always said that they accept SOME of the reforms, never promised to keep 70% of them... The ones they don't accept, such as the demands re labour laws, changes to minimum wage, collective bargaining, wage cuts, pension cuts, lay-offs etc. have already been reversed or are in the process of being reversed. The demands for further privatization have been rejected, with only today the "Eldorado" project in Northern Greece getting the thumbs down and the Canadian company sent packing. The reforms they agree with are also already in progress, especially those regarding the chasing of tax evaders, corruption, bribery etc. There is a new tax code in the making, as well as new electoral laws and a comprehensive review of the constitution, which should, as far as I am concerned, simply be ditched and completely re-written.
    And, to quote Varoufakis directly rather than a journalists interpretation of what he says:
    I’m fully aware that we need face-saving narratives and I will work day and night to produce them and to suggest those narratives to them

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    After a week of negotiations, the SYRIZA - led government has produced proposals for an agreement they want to make with the EU Commission, the ECB, the IMF and the Eurogroup.

    http://www.enikos.gr/data/files/85dc...e8725a8229.pdf

    Some extracts that give a flavour.
    We stand ready to support structural reforms previously agreed with our Eurogroup partners with regard to tax collection, public financial management, public administration reform, improvement of the business climate, reform of the
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    judiciary, spatial planning and fight against rent-seeking. They are fully consistent with our political mandate, and we will even accelerate them.
    We will take unprecedented action to fight corruption, to fight tax evasion and ensure tax enforceability, with an emphasis on transfer pricing in large corporates active abroad.
    We want to discuss legislative proposals to reinforce the legal framework for an independent tax authority.
    Technical assistance from you on these issues will be critical, not least because it will enhance trust between us and you.
    A full legislative package will create favourable conditions for the economy, improve the business climate and undermine rent-seeking, in particular in the oil sector, procurement, the construction sector, the financial sector, and the media.
    We will make public procurement procedures more transparent thanks to a more centralized system, efficient monitoring and e-procurement.
    We will improve the overall efficiency of the public sector to increase the quality of services delivered to every citizen and tackle administrative burden.
    In addition, we will propose a new set of home-grown reforms to support investment, restart growth, and improve economic efficiency.
    Investment should be revived, in Greece and in the whole Europe.
    We want to revive infrastructure projects with public and private investors and the support of the EU. Indeed, we have some innovative ideas of our own that may help mobilize idle savings into productive investments throughout the Continent, in support of the current efforts of the Commission to enhance investment and of the European Central Bank to stem deflationary forces.
    Returning to Greece, we want to invest to reduce energy costs for medium and large scale industries, to support innovation, start-ups and to promote a shift towards sectors with comparative advantages and export potential such as pharmaceuticals, organic agriculture, light manufacturing, energy resources, with the emphasis naturally on renewables.
    On privatization and the development of publicly owned assets, the government is utterly undogmatic; we are ready and willing to evaluate each and every one project on its merits alone. Media reports that the Pireus port privatisation was reversed could not be further from the truth. Indeed, quite the opposite holds as foreign direct investment will be encouraged as long as the state secures a
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    stream of long term revenues and a say in labour relations and environmental issues.
    Quick fire sales of public property, at a time when asset prices are deeply depressed, is not something that anyone would advocate.
    Instead, the government will create a development bank which will incorporate state assets, enhance their equity value through reforming property rights and use them as collateral for the purposes of providing, in association with European investment institutions such as the European Investment Banks, funding to the Greek private sector.
    We want to take additional measures to clean-up non-performing loans in the banking sector to render the banks able to support SMEs and households.
    Several misleading reports have caused misunderstandings with our partners by insinuating that we have rolled back previous reforms and added to our state budget. On the contrary, the measures announced by the Prime Minister with respect to rehiring tax office cleaners, school guards and the staff of the public broadcasting network: (1) have no adverse effect on competitiveness and (2) have no fiscal bearing as they will be paid for entirely by other savings in the state budget. For example, the wrongfully dismissed staff that will be rehired number 2013 people, a tiny number that must be juxtaposed against the 15 thousand hirings that are already inscribed in the 2015 budget that the previous government passed.
    On two other emotive topics, let me clarify that the restoration of the pension cuts we announced concern pensioners living at or below the poverty line and comes up to less than 2 euros per day per eligible pensioner – at a grand total of around 9.5 million. The reason we made this announcement is one that I shall return to, as I must, during our discussions: The appalling humanitarian crisis caused by the debt-deflation.
    On the minimum wage, the government will phase in its restoration to the 2012 level gradually, from September onwards and after consultation with employers and trades unions. As it applies only to the private sector, its fiscal impact will be, if anything, quite positive, as its multiplier effect is large and likely to boost tax revenues beyond the affected employees. Will it reduce competitiveness of the private sector? The government commits to reforms, e.g. in social security, reducing the tax wage that will ensure it does not.
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    Tsipras speaking in Dublin last year.

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    From Google Translate This German site

    The new Greek government is a bunch of bullies who do not even ordinary can provide figures and indulge in working sessions in unworldly economic theories. Or so it has been reported over the last two meetings of the euro group. Now, the Greek government has the records of the meeting published - and lo and behold: Somehow does not sound so crazy that. Pleasing taste?
    On the subject of privatization: Quick fire sales of public property, at a time When asset prices are deeply depressed, is not anyone's something that would advocate. Instead, the government wants to create a development database whichwill incorporate state assets, enhance Their equity value through reforming property rights and use them as collateral for the purposes of providing, in association with European investment institutions: such as the European Investment Banks, funding to the Greek private sector.

    Totally crazy?

    The minimum wage: On the minimum wage, the government will phase in its restoration to the 2012 level Gradually, from September onwards and after consultation with Employers and trades unions. As it Applies only to the private sector, its fiscal impact will be, if anything, quite positive, as its multiplier effect is large and likely to boost tax Revenues beyond the affected employees. Will it reduce Competitiveness of the private sector? The government commits to Reforms, eg in social security, reducing the tax dare thatwill Ensure it does not.

    Seems to me not very far from the reasoning of the grand coalition in Germany.
    Just throwing the above into the mix after hearing this morning's RTE describe the Greek Government as 'Far Left'! Even allowing for the limitations of Google Translate, the above excerpts seem more about alleviating the pressure forced onto the Greek people than any kind of 'Far Left' philosophy. If the above IS 'Far Left' then the Fine Gael & Labour government are 'Far Right'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew49 View Post
    From Google Translate This German site

    Just throwing the above into the mix after hearing this morning's RTE describe the Greek Government as 'Far Left'! Even allowing for the limitations of Google Translate, the above excerpts seem more about alleviating the pressure forced onto the Greek people than any kind of 'Far Left' philosophy. If the above IS 'Far Left' then the Fine Gael & Labour government are 'Far Right'
    Thanks for that Andrew. The whole of the Greek document is posted here, thanks to RNY's efforts. I agree - it is very far from the far left. It is social democracy, or perhaps not even that - "humane capitalism". It wants to offer some breathing room to the Greek people and economy, rather than extinguishing it altogether. In fact, it is not far from what the Irish Labour Party says it wants. Fine Gael and Labour are hard right, I think, rather than far right, as they are not at this stage relying on Black Hundreds with iron bars to get their way. Not that they wouldn't, if they felt the occasion warranted it.

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...p#.VOXACSwWk3g
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Thanks for that Andrew. The whole of the Greek document is posted here, thanks to RNY's efforts. I agree - it is very far from the far left. It is social democracy, or perhaps not even that - "humane capitalism". It wants to offer some breathing room to the Greek people and economy, rather than extinguishing it altogether. In fact, it is not far from what the Irish Labour Party says it wants. Fine Gael and Labour are hard right, I think, rather than far right, as they are not at this stage relying on Black Hundreds with iron bars to get their way. Not that they wouldn't, if they felt the occasion warranted it.

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...p#.VOXACSwWk3g
    The primeminister of Slovakia is uncomfortable with them raising the minimum wage all because it will be higher than what they get in Slovakia but he never took into account the lower cost of living in Slovakia. Greece should have three priorities, raising the minimum wage to increase the standard of living, it has the highest rate of unemployment in the EU (26%) so should start a programme to get people back into work and then thirdly allow the banks to start lending to small businesses which have all been affected by the downturn. As from Andrews article from above, more tax revenue could alleviate an already stressful situation.
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    Reform plans look sensible to me; a possible win-win for ordinary Greeks and the EU?
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    So Syriza are not as different to Irish Labour as some people may have assumed.

    In any case, these proposals must surely be as far as the Greeks can go with any dignity. If the Euro-ministers turn these down, then Syriza should either do a Grexit or hand the government back to ND and Pasok.

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    We shall see. If they are still in dialogue with the EU after 4 months, with few concessions, then I will be inclined to agree. But maybe not.

    And in any case, if more countries elect left wing governments, as seems likely, then their hand will be strengthened.
    "The floggings will continue until morale improves "

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