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    Quote Originally Posted by Greengoddess View Post
    Irish Times text.
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    The Supreme Court, the Government and Independent TD Thomas Pringle have agreed on three issues to be referred to the Court of Justice of the European Union which will determine the lawfulness of the ESM Treaty providing for a bailout fund for distressed euro zone states.

    The seven judge court is asking the CJEU to address the issues under its accelerated procedures on grounds the matter is "of exceptional urgency".

    It noted the Government takes the view it is essential Ireland be involved in the ESM Treaty from the outset and the Government's concern a range of adverse consequences may ensure if Ireland does not ratify the Treaty in the short term.

    The court is also expected to rule within days on Mr Pringle's application for an injunction stopping the Government ratifying the Treaty now on grounds including his claim the Treaty is unlawful.

    Mr Pringle has disputed that ratification is urgent in circumstances including Germany will not ratify before at least September 12th due to a legal action there.

    His counsel John Rogers SC argued the status quo should be maintained pending the CJEU decision because, if the Treaty was found to be unlawful, this State would have acted illegally. The whole point of the reference to the CJEU was to establish whether this Treaty undermines the basis tenets of economic and monetary union, he said.

    In resisting the injunction, Michael Cush SC, for the Government, argued speedy ratification is essential in Ireland's national interest. If the CJEU found in favour of Mr Pringle on all three issues referred, that would have the effect of putting an end to the ESM Treaty and Mr Pringle would have his remedy, counsel added.

    The court also heard the Department of Finance takes the view it would be good for Ireland to ratify the Treaty as soon as possible, even if it was later found unlawful, as the financial markets would take a positive view of Irish ratification.

    The Treaty forms an integral element of Ireland's proposed re-entry to those markets, Jim O'Brien of the Department said in an affidavit. The need for the ESM in the Euro area was also becoming more an more acute.

    Today, the court and the sides discussed the wording of three questions to be referred to the CJEU for determination arising from Mr Pringle's case.

    Mr Pringle had appealed to the Supreme Court against the High Court's rejection of his claims the Treaty breaches the Irish Constitution and EU law. The Supreme Court has reserved judgment on the constitutional argument, has agreed to adjourn other matters pending the outcome of the referral to the CJEU and is expected to rule shortly on the injunction application.

    The precise wording of all three questions to be referred has to be finalised but their general focus was agreed yesterday. They essentially ask whether a euro zone country ratifying the ESM Treaty is acting consistently with the EU Treaties and whether the European Council Decision providing for an ESM is consistent with that.

    The Supreme Court had itself decided to refer an issue relating to the validity of the March 2011 European Council Decision providing for an ESM.

    The second issue relates to whether euro zone states can form the ESM BEFORE the coming into force of the European Council Decision of March 2011 on the set date of January 2013. That issue raises questions as to whether the Decision can come into effect unless approved by all 27 member states of the EU.

    The third issue relates to whether the ESM Treaty is compatible with other EU Treaties. That issues arises from Mr Pringle's claim the ESM Treaty breaches provisions of the EU Treaties on grounds including allegedly providing for a form of economic and monetary union outside those treaties.

    The Supreme Court will give judgment on an unspecified date on Mr Pringle's claim the Treaty breaches the Irish Constitution on grounds including it sanctions a form of Economic and Monetary Union not approved in referendums by the Irish people.

    Mr Pringle contends the Treaty unconstitutionally irreversibly commits Ireland to a policy into the future of diverting our financial resources to save the Euro. The Government rejects those claims and argues, while the Treaty commits Ireland to transferring up to €11.1bn for a particular purpose, any further financial contribution would have to be approved by the Dáil.


    Seems it doesn't matter if it is found unlawful.....
    The 11 billion is based on a fund of about 700 billion. When Spain, Italy, Belguim, Austria, France and every bank in Europe go belly up that fund is going to need about 4 trillion. 66 billion will be Irelands contribution.

    And there is Noonan looking for a deal on 64 billion.

    Great lads, our politicians. Brains to burn. Pity they would,nt burn bondholders and Bankers, rather than brains.

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    Thomas Pringle statement on the Supreme Court decision:
    Independent TD Thomas Pringle has said he is “extremely pleased” that the Supreme Court has today decided to refer three questions to the European Court of Justice on the validity of the ESM Treaty.

    ‘I commenced this action because I was very concerned about the legality of the ESM under Irish and European law and I am extremely pleased that the Supreme Court has agreed with my concerns and decided to refer three questions on the ESM to the court of justice for adjudication.

    In doing this I have achieved what I set out to do in having this Treaty considered in all its implications and tested against our constitution and the EU Treaties’ said Pringle.

    The Supreme Court is asking the ECJ to consider three issues;

    1: Is the EU Council decision of March 25th 2011 to amend article 136 of the TFEU valid and does it violate treaty or EU law principles?

    2: If the decision of March 25th 2011 is valid is a member state entitled to join the ESM before the decision comes into force?

    3: Is the terms and operation of the ESM Treaty compatible with the principles and provisions of the EU Treaties?

    The court has now adjourned the case pending the outcome of the reference.
    http://www.thomaspringle.ie/?p=1031

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    Thomas Pringle TD's ESM case listed for ruling tomorrow -

    #Irish Supreme Court has listed Thomas Pringle TD's case on #ESM, #EU, #CJEU for ruling tomorrow @11am, Four Courts, Dublin. Open to public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    Thomas Pringle TD's ESM case listed for ruling tomorrow -
    Thanks !

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    Update -

    *IRISH SUPREME COURT SAYS ESM NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH CONSTITUTION, DOESN'T TRANSFER SOVEREIGNTY, REJECTS APPEAL AGAINST RATIFICATION
    The Court has now adjourned and awaits decision from ECJ on whether or not the ESM is compatible with current EU Treaties.
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    The seven judge Supreme Court also today rejected Mr Pringle's claims that the ESM treaty breaches the Irish Constitution on grounds it provides for an impermissible transfer of financial sovereignty.

    The court did not consider the treaty involved a transfer of sovereignty so as to make it incompatible with the Constitution such that a referendum is necessary before it may be ratified, the Chief Justice, Ms Justice Susan Denham, said when delivering the court's ruling.
    Anyone who has any respect for the impartiality of the courts in this country would need to think again. This judgement was also smuggled out in the shadow Feeley Judgement.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking24.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    Anyone who has any respect for the impartiality of the courts in this country would need to think again. This judgement was also smuggled out in the shadow Feeley Judgement.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking24.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Soon to feature in every thread on PW - The single transferable post.
    Baron I reloaded my post here from a similar thread on this topic acknowleding that you had brought this thread back up first.

    But then there's no point in being small-minded ..... unless you show it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    Anyone who has any respect for the impartiality of the courts in this country would need to think again. This judgement was also smuggled out in the shadow Feeley Judgement.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking24.html
    I agree. I think that the days of winning Referenda against the wishes of the State are over. The stakes are too high.

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    Just an aside, but the reason that judgements in so many high profile cases are being delivered this week has to do with the calendar. The legal profession is heading off on holiday tomorrow until the 1st October.
    http://www.courts.ie/courts.ie/libra...b?OpenDocument

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    Just an aside, but the reason that judgements in so many high profile cases are being delivered this week has to do with the calendar. The legal profession is heading off on holiday tomorrow until the 1st October.
    http://www.courts.ie/courts.ie/libra...b?OpenDocument
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Are you trying to bring the internet into disrepute by suggesting that there isn't a conspiracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Are you trying to bring the internet into disrepute by suggesting that there isn't a conspiracy?
    lol !!
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    Hollande will be pleased -

    (Reuters) - France's Constitutional Council ruled on Thursday that the EU's budget responsibility pact did not require a change to the constitution, easing its path to ratification and removing a potential headache for President Francois Hollande.

    The court's ruling opens the way for Hollande's Socialist government, which had insisted it did not want to write a budgetary rule into the constitution, to implement the pact as soon as September using a "super-law" that requires only a simple majority in parliament.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...87816920120809
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