Time For Citizens Arrest of the Bankers ?

[Murra]

There are large companies who specialise in top-end fraud investigations and they could have handled this within months of being called in, and provided a report naming names and appropriate charges.

The fact that this is all being handled by underfunded, understaffed units subject to political interference is not reassuring.

There are so many fingers in these pies that these guys will NEVER be brought to justice. Just look at the Moriarty Tribunal - years upon years fattening the bank balances of the legal profession - for what? These guys will walk, because to suggest otherwise would implicate half the bloody country!

Come back Mao - all is forgiven!!

[C. Flower]

It seems to me that there's an awful acceptance of unfairness and injustice. Maybe that will change when people are hungry.

[Kid Ryder]

They will pick one or two fall guys that dont have any serious dirt and throw the book at them, that will calm the angry mobs and we can all return to normal.

+1. Sad, but very likely unless we force the hands of the current establishment off the levers of power. Wasn't it a lowly plant manager that took the fall for Larry so-called Goodman way back when?

[Newsy]

I don't think the legal system is turning somersaults in an attempt not to handle it. The reality is that we have a grossly underresourced Financial Regulator, Office of Director of Corporate Enforcement and Garda Fraud Squad... all of which had their eye off the ball, or were explicitly or implicitly complicit for the past 10 years. Add to that a mountain of complex paperwork which stretches to the moon and back, all of which must be pondered over in order to bring a case. It is better that they take their time and they get it right, than running to court and missing their chance. Elderfield has said, for instance, that he needs an additional 400 staff, and he is right. Yet people expect the current staff to function at a pace as if they had the additional 400 staff in situ.

People keep making this comparison to America, Madoff and the fact he is behind bars. That is a load of nonsense, Madoff admitted liability. It took them over 4 years to prosecute Ken Lay for his role in Enron.

You know as well as I do, that if the political will was there.....it would be done. Plain and simple.

[Newsy]

It seems to me that there's an awful acceptance of unfairness and injustice. Maybe that will change when people are hungry.

We need a few more of the likes of the new regulator.......

But when there is a perception that the whole system is rotten......then where does one begin to clean it up.

I believe that there are individuals within the system who are trying to make noises......but they are being silenced or moved.

[C. Flower]

Tony Blair, Tippi Livni and the Pope are all on notice of the possibility of a citizens arrest.

Is it not time to assess whether there is a case for citizen's arrest of a number of individuals implicated in removing very large sums from non-viable companies ?

Is there any evidence in the public domain on which a citizen's arrest could be made ?

Major interview with Tippi Livni on RTE radio 1 at the moment.

wtf?

Will the interviewer produce handcuffs and arrest the butcher of Gaza ?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9iVbSv0AqU"]Tzipi Livni : INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMINAL - YouTube[/ame]

Journalists in the US call Livni a terrorist and murderer to her face.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpLxDutGIK8&feature=related"]Israeli FM Tzipi Livni confronted by Press - YouTube[/ame]

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Citizen's arrest. There's only one form of citizen's arrest that actually gets results and I'm not allowed to call for that here.

[jmcc]

Citizen's arrest. There's only one form of citizen's arrest that actually gets results and I'm not allowed to call for that here.

On principle, I'd be against anything violent happening to them that would result in their elimination. It would be far more logical to encourage them to talk.

Regards...jmcc

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

They'd talk alright. And still be 'arrested' afterwards. For good. These people attacked their own state for personal profit.

I might settle for a return of 'exile' as a sanction for their families. No right of return and passports rescinded.

I'd see them and their famiiles cast out as refugees at the very least. Nationality documentation rescinded.

[C. Flower]

They'd talk alright. And still be 'arrested' afterwards. For good. These people attacked their own state for personal profit.

I might settle for a return of 'exile' as a sanction for their families. No right of return and passports rescinded.

I'd see them and their famiiles cast out as refugees at the very least. Nationality documentation rescinded.

Some of them are already self-exiled to Spain and scenic locations in the US.

[TotalMayhem]

I might settle for a return of 'exile' as a sanction for their families. No right of return and passports rescinded.

Re-education camps, detention based on their pay grade.

[riposte]

Economic Treason, Fraud, Theft.

Judging by precedence so far .... none of the above appear to be against the law.

[TotalMayhem]

Maybe we should adapt certain Iranian customs...

Four people have been sentenced to death for their roles in Iran's biggest bank fraud scandal, Iranian TV reports.

[Captain Con O'Sullivan]

Re-education camps, detention based on their pay grade.

I wouldn't bother with the re-education. Many of them will have had an education in the best 'ethos' schools available in Ireland, by all accounts.

I do wonder sometimes why 'exile' only exists these days as a self-descriptor for 'tax-exile' or for a de facto system of exiling the sons and daughters of the unconnected when in fact exile was a damn good resort in the original Republics and democracies.

For anyone who attacks the welfare of the state for personal gain and I include welfare cheats as well as paper millonaires I think they should lose their citizenship- mainly because they've plainly made their choice when it comes to citizenship already.

I could name a dozen people now who I think could quite justifiably be put up against a wall and be shot for attacking the state and Irish society. And none of those people care a damn about old or sick people lying on a hospital trolley in a corridor untreated.

I would be in favour of the reintroduction of formal exile and withdrawal of citizenship from such people as a minimum where people get queasy about executions- but I would insist that their dependants lose citizenship as well.

As it happens I know there are a coterie of people who pretend that they live outside the state for 185 days of the year for tax reasons and I see no justification for them being allowed to have a say in Irish society.

[Ephilant]

Here's a good place to start

http://www.avaaz.org/en/bankers_behind_bars_f/