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    Default Aine Collins FG - "Government Policy - Hope That When in 3-4 Years our Debt is Unsustainable, We Will Get Write Down

    The admirable marchers of Ballyhea, County Cork, recently met with their local Fine Gael T.D. He/she said to them that it was government policy to try to get a write down of up to 50% in three or four years, "when our debt has become utterly unsustainable."

    The Deputy outlined out to us the government policy, their hope that in three or four years, when our debt has become utterly unsustainable, we will get a write-down "of up to 50%" from Europe. We pointed out that at that stage the bulk of the bank bonds will have been paid and the one major bargaining tool we still have will be gone, surrendered, the private bank debt now all transformed to sovereign. This will then be sovereign default, for which we will pay a massive price. The guidelines we get to meet the current EU/ECB deadlines? Forget it - sovereign default will mean the troika now dictating line-by-line and top of their list will be our Corporation Tax rate, followed by our old-age pension rates, social welfare baseline rates, and so on and so on.
    http://thechatteringmagpie14.blogspot.com/

    This rings true, as no one in their right mind can think that the national debt is repayable.

    It is also, as the Magpie says, appalling, as in two or three years time, all of the bank debt will have been repayed, and the remaining debt will all be locked in as sovereign, Irish-based debt, on which we cannot default.
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    If Fine Gael think we can't repay our debt, why are they telling us to agree to pay an even greater amount down by voting for the Treaty ?

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    It's a quite amazing piece of frankness for a TD. Just to quibble a bit; it may not necessarily be a FG TD that said it. Sean Sherlock would be considered a local TD in that area as well, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    It's a quite amazing piece of frankness for a TD. Just to quibble a bit; it may not necessarily be a FG TD that said it. Sean Sherlock would be considered a local TD in that area as well, I think.
    Do you know if he claimed €50,000 expenses ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Do you know if he claimed €50,000 expenses ?
    He claimed €11,643.19 expenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    He claimed €11,643.19 expenses.
    The meeting had barely started when the TD outlined to us the difficulty of making ends meet on a salary of €92,672 plus expenses (this individual claimed over €50,000 last year)
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Do you know if he claimed €50,000 expenses ?
    40,911 in 2010

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0809/td_expenses2010.pdf

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0809/expenses_details.html
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    Default Re: FG TD - "Government Policy - Hope That When in 3-4 Years our Debt is Unsustainable, We Will Get Write Down

    Ballyhea/Charleville is Cork North West.

    Three seater one FF and two FG, Michael Creed and Ainé Collins

    Collins claimed €51,808.09

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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    He claimed €11,643.19 expenses.
    The meeting had barely started when the TD outlined to us the difficulty of making ends meet on a salary of €92,672 plus expenses (this individual claimed over €50,000 last year)
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    Default Re: FG TD - "Government Policy - Hope That When in 3-4 Years our Debt is Unsustainable, We Will Get Write Down

    Pure speculation of course but Collins is also the only first time TD so may not be used to 'making ends meet' as it were

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Ballyhea/Charleville is Cork North West.

    Three seater one FF and two FG, Michael Creed and Ainé Collins

    Collins claimed €51,808.09
    Sounds reasonable. From the little I know about Michael Creed I'd imagine he would be too mild mannered to see red over Constatine Gurdgiev

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    Who gives a **** about expenses! A FG TD said to Diarmuid O'Flynn's face that the plan is partial default a few years down the line???
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    Default Re: FG TD - "Government Policy - Hope That When in 3-4 Years our Debt is Unsustainable, We Will Get Write Down

    Just narrowing down who's doing the talking

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    I've put this type of scenario to some of the more connected and knowledgeable pro Govt economic posters on the other site. They said that'd be nice and could happen in a knowing way, IMO talk of a 50% writedown is cloud cuckoo land stuff.

    €30bn or €40bn as a reward for saving the banks and playing along with the ECBs plans would be on the cards. Remember Howlin claiming that a €20bn writedown was on the cards before Italys problems surfaced. With the National Debt heading for €200bn in 3 or 4 years time, talk of a 50% writedown is ludicrous.

    THe Irish government had been “on the verge” of getting up to €20 billion of its debt burden written down by the troika until the Italian crisis intervened, Brendan Howlin, a Labour minister, told his party last week.

    http://journalisted.com/article/2p8sj

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