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    Default Re: Bloomberg Ireland Economic Summit, Dublin May 16 2012

    Michael Taft points out how hard it is to tell the fake from the real Noonan ....

    http://www.irishleftreview.org/2012/...iles-minister/

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    Default Re: Bloomberg Ireland Economic Summit, Dublin May 16 2012

    The hacked IT page, via @cassiustweets


    http://poof.hksr.us/flhcxyve

    irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:22

    Well, this may explain the whole thing
    Last edited by C. Flower; 25-05-2012 at 07:34 PM.

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    Default Re: Bloomberg Ireland Economic Summit, Dublin May 16 2012

    Well **** me sixteen different colours of pink....
    Excuse my French

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    Well **** me sixteen different colours of pink....
    Excuse my French
    Is it possible that it came to you via a tweet? I'm just checking @cassiustweets stream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Is it possible that it came to you via a tweet? I'm just checking @cassiustweets stream.
    It's perfectly possible. I click through on loads of news related twitter links.

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    Default Re: Bloomberg Ireland Economic Summit, Dublin May 16 2012

    I see now how this works. You can use the hack website to edit a page and then save it to a location on the web. All you have to do then is tweet a link using tinyurl or similar and the person who clicks on the link gets redirected to the fake page.
    Simple.
    And dangerous.

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    Default Maidir Le: Bloomberg Ireland Economic Summit, Dublin May 16 2012

    Stephen Collins is on his way round your's to commandeer the computer as we speak.

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    Default Re: Maidir Le: Bloomberg Ireland Economic Summit, Dublin May 16 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Stephen Collins is on his way round your's to commandeer the computer as we speak.
    *rev, rev, spinning wheels, nice evening for the beer garden*

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    Default Re: Bloomberg Ireland Economic Summit, Dublin May 16 2012

    I'm not exactly an expert but this newsjack thing looks more a social engineering kind of hack. The aim is to misdirect people to a fake website.
    I know there are tools that can be run to listen on your ethernet interface and list the IPs that you are hitting as you browse from site to site.
    I'll be doing a bit of research on that I'm thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The hacked IT page, via @cassiustweets

    http://poof.hksr.us/flhcxyve

    irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 11:22

    Well, this may explain the whole thing
    It seems that an "amended" "mashed" IT page was tweeted last Wednesday morning, 16th May, by an as yet unknown tweeter, with the inserted text - "simplistic idealism about social injustice", Yes being a leap into the dark, not doing shopping, etc. added to Colm Keena's report on Noonan's remarks.

    In Ireland we need to keep focus on more important issues of corporate profitability and tax protection we offer international organisations. This is not the time for drastic moves to the left simply to suit populist demands for simplistic idealism of "social justice"
    http://poof.hksr.us/flhcxyve

    The rest of the speech, feta cheese and the lot, is apparently an accurate report of what he said.

    PaddyJoe took it to be a bona fide IT page, reporting Noonan's speech

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showpo...7&postcount=10

    as did many others, including Michael Taft.

    http://notesonthefront.typepad.com/

    On 17th, the IT said it was not their report. However, the list of versions they supplied was later found to be incomplete, so the question remained open.

    On 18th May a blog on the LRB site said it was allegedly a hack of the IT site.

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2012/05/18...nt-of-clarity/

    According to @lostexpectation it may have originated from @soundmigration, although I have no direct confirmation of that (I have sent an inquiry to @soundmigration / Mark Malone).

    It is now clear that it was not an error by the IT or creation of IT staff.

    It also clearly did not originate with PaddyJoe, here on Politicalworld.org i.e. he didn't produce the text. He clicked on the twitter link and copied the content from what appeared to be an IT page.

    http://poof.hksr.us/flhcxyve

    Others, including @cassiustweets, also saw the page via Twitter and initially believed it was from the IT and was based on Noonan's words, or that there had been some kind of a hack.

    It appeared to me yesterday, when I found that the list of versions supplied to us by the IT was incomplete, that PJ must have got the text from the IT site, but that sent me burrowing back over everything again to find someone else who had seen the IT page. After searching through last weeks' twitter streams, the mashed up page was found with much assistance from @cassiustweets who searched his/her caches. @cassiustweets was able to retrieve the page.

    Although after a second reading of the text, I thought it was not by Noonan, I totally agree with Peter Geoghan on the LRB Blog, and Michael Taft that it was horribly believable and accurately reflects the approach of this Government.

    ‘The quotes were so surreal but utterly plausible,’ says Gavan Titley, a lecturer in media studies at the National University of Ireland, Maynooth. On Thursday, the Fine Gael minister for enterprise, Richard Bruton, during a debate on the treaty on Today FM, said that the referendum would be rerun in the event of a ‘No’ vote. He quickly retracted his ‘mistake’. Bruton’s comments ‘are regarded as a gaffe’, Titley says, ‘but actually are just an exceptional moment of clarity.’
    I'm happy that we have got an answer on how this text was published, thanks to @cassiustweets, and that there was nothing untoward about the fact that the IT didn't have a complete list of published versions.

    There is clearly at this stage no suggestion that the IT published this wording.

    Also happy to demonstrate that the source was not PW.
    Last edited by C. Flower; 28-05-2012 at 08:05 AM.

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    There were no doubt people who thought "YEAAAAA go on baldy, tell it like it IS, sock it to those lefty whimps" when they read the inserted, false comments.
    Well done whoever hacked the piece. The agenda is still (barely) hidden.

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    Some further info on my blog, sorry wont let me post links.
    Quotegate: Digital remixing, augmented news and the desire for honesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundmigration View Post
    Some further info on my blog, sorry wont let me post links.
    Quotegate: Digital remixing, augmented news and the desire for honesty.
    Thanks Soundmigration. I was just about to add this. It's nice to have a tidy end to the drama

    http://soundmigration.wordpress.com/...e-for-honesty/

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    Default Re: Bloomberg Ireland Economic Summit, Dublin May 16 2012

    Just saw this on twitter --- #Greece Communist Party warns that it will take legal action against fake/parody accounts on fb/twitter via @doleross #rbnews

    *sense of humour paramount*

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