SBP RedC 28 April: FG 32 -2 SF 19 +1, FF 17 +1, Lab 14 -1, IND 18 +1

[PaddyJoe]

STATE OF THE PARTIES

Fine Gael: 32% (-2)

Sinn Féin: 19% (+1)

Fianna Fail: 17% (+1)

Labour: 14% (-1)

Independents: 18% (+1)

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VOTING INTENTIONS ON EU TREATY REFERENDUM

Yes: 47% (-2)

No: 35% (+2)

Don't Know: 18%


http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home/News/Red+C+poll+results/id/89127228-1884-f9c1-6681-36ef14647622

[Ogiol]

I was polled in that one!! Gov parties slowely losing support, I dont think FF will break twenty, so sinn fein will keep creeping up.

[homer]

Combined falls in FG/Lab are ominous for Labour.

SF gaining from their opposition to Treaty. This gain may slow when they have to come up with workable policies.

Surprised that FF didn't go down more after Mahon. Fact that they have gained slightly is interesting

[ang]

Government parties on downward trend now and I would imagine that trend will deepen as the lack of empathy for public opinion within government grows.

FF seem to have a steady base around the 17% for now.

SF will be pleased with their position.

IND impossible to track how that vote is split among the Reps

[C. Flower]

Government parties on downward trend now and I would imagine that trend will deepen as the lack of empathy for public opinion within government grows.

FF seem to have a steady base around the 17% for now.

SF will be pleased with their position.

IND impossible to track how that vote is split among the Reps

The GE results -

General Election 25/2/2011 F F 17.4% FG 36.1% Lab 19.4% GP 1.8% SF 9.9% Ind 12.6% Others 2.6%.

The attraction to Sinn Fein suggests to me that the question of national independence is still powerful in its impacts on voters. Loss of sovereignty, through the Bank Guarantee, and then the IMF/EU incursion, finished FF and it is probable that their missing vote is lodged with SF, who may well at some stage decide to coalesce with them.

It's time that the Polls disaggregated the SP and PBP.

[homer]

I think SF have gained support because they can take populist positions.

To retain support they will have to have some realistic poiicies - they dont at present.

If Labour go down further they may get nervous ? Joan for leader ? leaving govt if they lose seat in LE 2014.

Crtical date is when Quinn, Rabbitte etc qualify for Ministerial pension

[C. Flower]

I think SF have gained support because they can take populist positions.

To retain support they will have to have some realistic poiicies - they dont at present.

If Labour go down further they may get nervous ? Joan for leader ? leaving govt if they lose seat in LE 2014.

Crtical date is when Quinn, Rabbitte etc qualify for Ministerial pension

Populist, in the sense of nationalist.

"We shouldn't pay the foreign banks."

They have been the only party to take basic issues of democracy - like calling the bye-elections - to the Courts.

Fianna Fail played the same populist game until they had used the country up.

SF are ready and willing to take over.

[disability student]

Populist, in the sense of nationalist.

"We shouldn't pay the foreign banks."

They have been the only party to take basic issues of democracy - like calling the bye-elections - to the Courts.

Fianna Fail played the same populist game until they had used the country up.

SF are ready and willing to take over.

They were the only party to have a real sense of democracy with regards to by elections as people had fogotten about this re their short memory.The only way is repeat ad nauseum re FG/Lab/FF re their actions and what they did and not.

That said, it will sink into people's minds more deeply and entrenched. Another new party is essential now to replace FF.Alternatively a new party (not ULA) with more socialist outlook that Labour have lost it now and they can't retrieve it back because it was already done re their right wing policies.

SF would soar if they dropped their twin baggage (Adams/McGuinness) & be replaced with a new leader Pearse? (another Padriag Pearse)

[homer]

No CF I consider SF populist in the sense that they claim that we can tell the Troika go home and "take their money with them" - to quote Gerry Adams.

THey do not have a plan B. We have a revenue shortfall of at least €16 bn a year, disregarding bank bailout liabilities. The country cannot keep going without extensive borrowing. To claim otherwise is irrespponsible and populist.

When people realise this, they will lose some of their present support imho

[C. Flower]

No CF I consider then populist in the sense that they claim that we can tell the Troika go home and "take their money with them" - to quote Gerry Adams.

THey do not have a plan B. We have a revenue shortfall of at least €16 bn a year, disregarding bank bailout liabilities. The country cannot keep going without extensive borrowing. To claim otherwise is irrespponsible and populist.

When people realise this, they will lose some of their present support imho

I agree with you, that they are populist. Sadly, I think that people are deluding themselves that they are not another version of Fianna Fail.
What I am saying is that people are wanting to believe that they are defenders of the people.

[Shaadi]

No CF I consider SF populist in the sense that they claim that we can tell the Troika go home and "take their money with them" - to quote Gerry Adams.

THey do not have a plan B. We have a revenue shortfall of at least €16 bn a year, disregarding bank bailout liabilities. The country cannot keep going without extensive borrowing. To claim otherwise is irrespponsible and populist.

When people realise this, they will lose some of their present support imho

SF are playing the populist card, the public know this and they still support them because the public also know the Govt are spoofing when they say the books can be balanced by austerity alone. You can't remove 10 % of GDP from the economy over the next few years and claim there's going to be enough growth to pay back the interest on the loans which the Govt are taking on. The public see the Govt failing to tackle the deficit spending from the top down and will increasingly turn against the Govt unless it gets its act together.

The public have this figured out and know that the only solution which will not lead to extreme poverty is quantative easing/Eurobonds or default. The ass kissing, yes to austerity route will see extreme poverty for the PIIGS. The citizens of the PIIGS country's will be better off defaulting and are riding the recession out on the back of loans they don't intend paying back, or if they do pay them back they'll be paying them back at Eurobonds rates.

Plan A from the Govt appears to be a farce and they don't have a plan B, or if they do have a plan B they won't tell us what it is.

[Saoirse go Deo]

SF in govt would ensure that the higher ups also pay a price and that the burden isn't solely on the ordinary person, and I think that people would respect them for it.

A new Fianna Fáil? Hardly, SF aren't trying to get elected for the sake of it, or for the money, getting into govt in Dublin is all about furthering the republican agenda.

[MPB]

No CF I consider SF populist in the sense that they claim that we can tell the Troika go home and "take their money with them" - to quote Gerry Adams.

THey do not have a plan B. We have a revenue shortfall of at least €16 bn a year, disregarding bank bailout liabilities. The country cannot keep going without extensive borrowing. To claim otherwise is irrespponsible and populist.

When people realise this, they will lose some of their present support imho

Nonsense.

This country could not only survive, but prosper without the Troika.

Europe/EU/ECB has been our problem. Our membership of the Eurozone was and is, the noose around our necks, because it ties us to the ECB.

Central Banks are a disaster, but the ECB is a special type of disaster.

Giving Independence to a Central Bank was meant to stave off political interference, but financial interference is the reason political interference occurs.

We now have a situation whereby our Central Bank is run by the Private Banks that caused the current financial crisis and our politicians and Govts are perceived to be so corrupt, that we felt the need for Independent Central Banks.

Catch 22. Politicians or Bankers.

We cannot afford to repay the Private Bank debt on top of the sovereign debt.

Telling people that we have to vote yes, so as to be able to access more debt is beyond ridiculous.

Telling people that voting No means that we can still access more debt is a joke.

Telling people, including those at the top in Europe that we have no intention of borrowing more and are going to default on the portion of debt allocated to Private Banks, is the only course that makes sense.

This sort of courage requires a new Govt, capable of telling their cronies that the glory days are over. 6 Co Councils rather than 34. 10 Govt Ministries rather than 14. A HSE or a Dept of Health. An IDA or a Dept of Enterprise. An NRA or a Dept of Transport.

Balancing Budgets would be an awful lot easier without politicians, central banks and the eu.

[C. Flower]

Nonsense.

This country could not only survive, but prosper without the Troika.

Europe/EU/ECB has been our problem. Our membership of the Eurozone was and is, the noose around our necks, because it ties us to the ECB.

Central Banks are a disaster, but the ECB is a special type of disaster.

Giving Independence to a Central Bank was meant to stave off political interference, but financial interference is the reason political interference occurs.

We now have a situation whereby our Central Bank is run by the Private Banks that caused the current financial crisis and our politicians and Govts are perceived to be so corrupt, that we felt the need for Independent Central Banks.

Catch 22. Politicians or Bankers.

We cannot afford to repay the Private Bank debt on top of the sovereign debt.

Telling people that we have to vote yes, so as to be able to access more debt is beyond ridiculous.

Telling people that voting No means that we can still access more debt is a joke.

Telling people, including those at the top in Europe that we have no intention of borrowing more and are going to default on the portion of debt allocated to Private Banks, is the only course that makes sense.

This sort of courage requires a new Govt, capable of telling their cronies that the glory days are over. 6 Co Councils rather than 34. 10 Govt Ministries rather than 14. A HSE or a Dept of Health. An IDA or a Dept of Enterprise. An NRA or a Dept of Transport.

Balancing Budgets would be an awful lot easier without politicians, central banks and the eu.

Politicians, bankers, or "the people?" Unless the new government is committed to social equality, then all the clean up will only benefit a corrupted few.

Surely now we are educated enough and have the technology not to need to be governed by tiny cabals of powerful people?

[culmore]

what happens when we have no money left and nobody will lents us more, what then ?????