Breivik, the True Finns and Declan Ganley

[fluffybiscuits]

I think you are right here, Fluffy, to question the links between Ganley and Breivik. We may have serious suspicions and know very well that there are links with the True Finns and other European right groups, but they are at a remove and until something direct is established, we need to continue to be suspicious but not to reach too far.

PK's arguments are very convincing. I dont have anytime for Ganley or his rhetoric but we do need something a tad more concrete but at the same time CF raised some very good points and it does make for some more research. Where to start is the question....

[C. Flower]

I think you are right here, Fluffy, to question the links between Ganley and Breivik. We may have serious suspicions and know very well that there are links with the True Finns and other European right groups, but they are at a remove and until something direct is established, we need to continue to be suspicious but not to reach too far.

No one has suggested that there has been any contact between Breivik and Ganley.

The point made in the OP is that both Breivik and Ganley are admirers of the True Finns, who are a racist and anti-muslim party.

[fluffybiscuits]

No one has suggested that there has been any contact between Breivik and Ganley.

The point made in the OP is that both Breivik and Ganley are admirers of the True Finns, who are a racist and anti-muslim party.

Ah apologies, that was how I took it up ! I stand corrected

[Dr. FIVE]

No one has suggested that there has been any contact between Breivik and Ganley.

The point made in the OP is that both Breivik and Ganley are admirers of the True Finns, who are a racist and anti-muslim party.

+1

Breivik's politics can manifest itself in many ways

[People Korps]

No one has suggested that there has been any contact between Breivik and Ganley.

The point made in the OP is that both Breivik and Ganley are admirers of the True Finns, who are a racist and anti-muslim party.

The real point is that an allegedly "respectable" figure such as Declan Ganley , who has been deemed thus by the Irish media including the new editor of the Irish Times, Kevin O'Sullivan, despite the fact that Ganley has been and is a promoter of far right hate, xenophobic hate -mongering, must and cannot be viewed in isolation of figures like Breivik who drew inspiration from Ganley allies like the True Finns!!!!!!
The gap between Ganley's Libertas and Breivik both politically and in terms of beliefs is minuscule, while both in terms of inspiration and rhetoric the gap is non existent. This I base on Ganley's hatred of Islam, his recruiting of Neo Nazis and Antisemitic parties, his xenophobic hate mongering and his militaristic connections and rhetoric mixed with his own messianic dogma and flawed egotistical pedigree.

Dont forget that TV3 allowed Ganley to host True Finn leader Timo Suini on their channel on Tonight with Vincent Browne last fall when Ganley hosted it for a week.
Was there a person on the panel pointing out that Timo's party had posted Breivik's words to their followers by email? No there was not. Therefore a thread like this is important to air the points that Irish media figures like Kevin O'Sullivan of The Irish Times fail to grasp when they promote Ganley and his Cambrdige intelligence service buddies polemics and when producers at TV3 hand the national airwaves over to the people who were inspirational Breivik.

[Richardbouvet]

Can someone please post anything actually said by Ganley which is racist or anti-Semitic?

I am not sure this thread is being fair to Ganley ( Mod cf )



Also, Ganley's views on the EU are IMO not 100% wrong.

[ZeroWedge]

The fact that he shot dead over 70 socialists is perhaps a clue.

He didnt shoot them because they were socialists. He shot them because they were multiculturalists.

The right favours cheap labour, the far right is in the business of fuelling division between workers, and attacking trade unions, to get labour even cheaper.

So therefore the "right" and "far right" are on different sides, and shouldnt be given the same moniker.

I would describe Breivik as a "far left ultra-nationalist", similar to the National Socialist Party, (ie Nazi party) in 1930s Germany.

[Dr. FIVE]

[Sam Lord]

So therefore the "right" and "far right" are on different sides, and shouldnt be given the same moniker.

I would describe Breivik as a "far left ultra-nationalist", similar to the National Socialist Party, (ie Nazi party) in 1930s Germany.

I doubt that you could point to one thing in the deranged ramblings of Breivik that could be described as "left" never mind "far left". But please feel free to bring them to my attention if I am incorrect.

Racism and xenophobia has never been associated with left wing political movements .. in fact it is exactly the opposite. Again if I am wrong you could provide some examples. These things have always been pillars of right wing ideology. You, personally, should know this.

The Nazis in Germany did have the word "socialist" in their title but this was a deliberate ploy. It did not make them socialists, they were still a party of capital and were financed to power by the biggest capitalists in Europe. According to your logic the "Labour" party in Britain necessarily represents the working class and the "Democratic" Party in the USA are actually opposed to plutocracy.

[ZeroWedge]

Theyre on different sides of the immigration issue.

[ZeroWedge]

According to your logic the "Labour" party in Britain necessarily represents the working class and the "Democratic" Party in the USA are actually opposed to plutocracy.

No I dont think that at all. My logic is based on the very clear observation that British Labour represents:
1) public sector unions,
2) ethnic minorities,
3) female voters

[Dr. FIVE]

People and parties that are fond of cheap labour are usually not so chuffed about immigrants moving in next door

[ZeroWedge]

The Nazis in Germany did have the word "socialist" in their title but this was a deliberate ploy. It did not make them socialists, they were still a party of capital and were financed to power by the biggest capitalists in Europe.

No they were not a "party of capital". They were a populist party, that were elected into power on a wave of populist anger against certain financiers that had created and profited from hyperinflation. In that way, the Nazi party were similar to Sinn Fein in the following ways:

1) Nazi party built a very strong grassroots movement based in one ethnic community. So has Sinn Fein
2) Nazis demonised and blamed all their problems on a single ethnic group, the Jews. Sinn Fein blames all their peoples problems on "the British".
3) Nazis exploited ordinary peoples natural anti-elitism. So has Sinn Fein.

In summary, both Sinn Fein and the Nazi party were both nationalist, populist, anti-elitist and scapegoating an ethnic minority.

[Kev Bar]

Can someone please post anything actually said by Ganley which is racist or anti-Semitic?

I am not sure this thread is being fair to Ganley, and "linking" him at 2 or more removes to Breivik strikes me as potentially defamatory.

Also, Ganley's views on the EU are IMO not 100% wrong.

http://ganleydeclan.blogspot.com/200...n-bizarre.html

Mark Murray in the Village magazine wrote a good piece outlining Deco's dubious allies.

It's not online though.


And re "defamatory"...it's curious, Deco's desire to appear in court seems to be in inverse proportion to this willingness to feign legal action.

The man has already walked away from a libel action where he claimed he was called a "corrupt lying mass-murderer."

His claim is inaccurate but that is beside the point.

[People Korps]

http://ganleydeclan.blogspot.com/200...n-bizarre.html

Mark Murray in the Village magazine wrote a good piece outlining Deco's dubious allies.

It's not online though.


And re "defamatory"...it's curious, Deco's desire to appear in court seems to be in inverse proportion to this willingness to feign legal action.

The man has already walked away from a libel action where he claimed he was called a "corrupt lying mass-murderer."

His claim is inaccurate but that is beside the point.

I was thinking of Mark as he compiled the best online compendium of Ganley Nazi allies
can you contact for a word version for posting here