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    Default Re: 11th April 2012 - AIB - Another 1.5 billion euro Unsecured Bonds to Be Repaid Tomorrow Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Is everyone punch drunk ? Does everyone think that someone else, not themselves, is paying this?

    We are borrowing to pay this, and so long as the current system lasts, it's a debt that we and future generations will be forced to pay.
    Are you challenging me or them?

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    Default Re: 11th April 2012 - AIB - Another 1.5 billion euro Unsecured Bonds to Be Repaid Tomorrow Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Bloomberg has provided a list of the holders of the 1.5 billion, unsecured, unguaranteed, bond that was paid by AIB yesterday:

    Schoellerbank - Austrian Bank
    Diethniki Mutual - Greek Fund Management
    ING - Dutch Banking/Financial Services
    Landesbank Berlin - German Bank
    Guipuzocoana - not sure what this is. The only thing google is throwing up is a basque company which plundered Venezuela in the 18th century.
    Banco Espirito Santo - Portuguese Bank
    Lombard Odier - Swiss Bank
    Union Investment - German Investment Group
    CB-Accent - Luxembourg Investment Company
    Sopaf Capital - Italian Investment Company
    Danske - Danish Bank
    Scottish Widows - Scottish life, pensions and investment company (a subsidiary of Lloyds Banking Group.)
    Invercaixa - Spanish Investment Company
    Fidelit - I'm assuming this to be Fidelity, a Canadian Investment company
    UBS - Swiss Global investment banking/financial services
    MG Gesto - ??
    Finvalor - Spanish Investment company
    Threadneedle - UK investment company
    Julius Baer - Swiss bank

    This bond was trading at under 75 cents in the Euro early in 2011 so those who bought in then have not only have taken no "haircut" but have actually (apart from their interest) made a neat profit at the expense of the Irish taxpayer. For doing exactly what I wonder other than investing in a bust Irish Bank.
    My first question is how many politicians and their mates here and elsewhere, especially here, have money or investments in these banks? My second would be what's with Bloomberg lately being all pro Irish on debt write down/ending of austerity advice and now being the only ones to put this list out there?

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    Default Re: 11th April 2012 - AIB - Another 1.5 billion euro Unsecured Bonds to Be Repaid Tomorrow Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Are you challenging me or them?
    The world in general, apart from the very rich. There is a lot of denial about what this is going to mean for our lives and our childrens lives.

    Even Sam Lord says he isn't sure what a billion is. It is a thousand million.

    It was very clear back in 2008 that many of the TDs who voted through this legalised theft didn't know what a billion was. There was a memorable discussion about it on the Vincent Browne Show. None of the panel was clear.

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    Default Re: 11th April 2012 - AIB - Another 1.5 billion euro Unsecured Bonds to Be Repaid Tomorrow Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
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    It was very clear back in 2008 that many of the TDs who voted through this legalised theft didn't know what a billion was. There was a memorable discussion about it on the Vincent Browne Show. None of the panel was clear.
    It says volumes about the quality of the Members of our National Parliament. If the quality was any lower it would be subterranean.

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    Default Re: 11th April 2012 - AIB - Another 1.5 billion euro Unsecured Bonds to Be Repaid Tomorrow Morning

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    It was very clear back in 2008 that many of the TDs who voted through this legalised theft didn't know what a billion was. There was a memorable discussion about it on the Vincent Browne Show. None of the panel was clear.
    Poor Lucy seems confused about million. From 18:00

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oy6BfbCGWM&feature=player_detailpage"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oy6BfbCGWM&feature=player_detailpage[/ame]
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