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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    So your position is that if a TD has concerns about a public appointment it is his/her duty to raise them but not in the Dail?
    The Dail is not the appropriate forum for every concern.

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    Back in December I predicted in the Cardiff witch hunt thread that there would be a campaign against his successor.

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showpo...&postcount=557
    So your view was there would be a campaign irrespective of whoever was appointed or their background?
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    Default Re: Pearse Doherty suspended from the Dail over John Moran remarks

    Public servants should be accountable to the government. No exceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    The Dail is not the appropriate forum for every concern.
    So a TD has genuine concerns about the suitability of an appointment to the head of the Department of Finance... he goes to the Minister and outlines these and the minister says, "thanks very much now run along like a good boy/girl".

    I'm not sure why an opposition TD should not air in the Dail their view on a serious mistake they believe the government is making in running the country.
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    So your view was there would be a campaign irrespective of whoever was appointed or their background?
    My expectation was that the salary cap would mean that no outsider would take the job. I fully expected that the PS bashing culture would therefore mean that the eventual appointee would be attacked.

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    My expectation was that the salary cap would mean that no outsider would take the job. I fully expected that the PS bashing culture would therefore mean that the eventual appointee would be attacked.
    I have to say that does not really stand up as it is the private sector activity of the apointee that is being questioned. It has nothing to do with him being a PS employee whatsoever. He has only been in the Department for a wet weekend to my knowledge. According to posts on this thread he was making juice in France up to recently.
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    I have to say that does not really stand up as it is the private sector activity of the apointee that is being questioned. It has nothing to do with him being a PS employee whatsoever. He has only been in the Department for a wet weekend to my knowledge. According to posts on this thread he was making juice in France up to recently.
    He has only been in the public service since July 2010.
    He was renovating property in Dublin in 2010 when he applied for the role of head of wholesale banking supervision at the Central Bank, which was renovating its own post-crisis house after the regulatory failures of the past.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...312914492.html

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    My expectation was that the salary cap would mean that no outsider would take the job.
    Well, we seem to have found one outsider anyway prepared in recent years to work for a PS salary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    My expectation was that the salary cap would mean that no outsider would take the job.
    Maybe the money in squeezing mandarins and renovating old buildings isn't as good as it used to be? Pushing pencils at taxpayers' expense surely is physically less demanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    So a TD has genuine concerns about the suitability of an appointment to the head of the Department of Finance... he goes to the Minister and outlines these and the minister says, "thanks very much now run along like a good boy/girl".

    I'm not sure why an opposition TD should not air in the Dail their view on a serious mistake they believe the government is making in running the country.
    Well the first thing to note is the minister, not the secretary general is the head of the department.

    You may have detected in my posts in other threads that I'm not overly impressed by the calibre of our TDs but even I wouldn't think that an opposition TD would just raise a confidential matter with a minister and then forget about it.

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    Issues like a TD abusing Dail privilege to smear someone who can't defend himself?

    Issues like a TD engineering a suspension from the Dail to raise his own public profile?

    Issues like a TD now calling for scrutiny of fitness and probity when he was silent on the fitness and probity of one of his own party who was exposed as indefensibly profligate in his use of publicly funded resources?
    Ah! Yeah ..... but it depends on which TD ..... doesn't it Baron
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    I have to say that does not really stand up as it is the private sector activity of the apointee that is being questioned. It has nothing to do with him being a PS employee whatsoever. He has only been in the Department for a wet weekend to my knowledge. According to posts on this thread he was making juice in France up to recently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Well, we seem to have found one outsider anyway prepared in recent years to work for a PS salary
    Someone on DriveTime earlier called him an outside insider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    Maybe the money in squeezing mandarins and renovating old buildings isn't as good as it used to be? Pushing pencils at taxpayers' expense surely is physically less demanding.

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    http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42366

    Some aspects of his involvement in the boom (1997-2005) stood out for me. Such as:

    1. He secured a ground-breaking change in Irish banking rules to permit a license for a bank within an insurance group.

    2. He generated a large hedge fund lending opportunity in Dublin by raising over 1bn at an interest rate below the London Interbank Offered Rate.

    3. He was a founder of a company specialising in structured derivative and lending products and custody services to the alternative investment industry, especially funds of hedge funds.

    (from his linkedin profile)

    Now, I have often posted on here about the cover-up that has taken place, and is still taking place, within the Irish establishment with regard to the thinking and activities that went on during the boom years. The point I try to make is that in every response that has been made thus far to this crisis, there are the following traits:

    1. The protecting and defending of individuals and/or supraindividual unities (establishment institutions and large corporates in the main).

    2. The primary reasoning processes include making the premises explicit (on the assumption that they are valid) and testing them by the use of self-referential logic. Self-referential logic means testing a claim by the same logic that generated it in the first place - The appointment of someone like John Moran is a perfect example of ensuring that the same premises and same logic of the bubble(s) prevails.

    3. Transparency is avoided in the service of protecting the self (and identifying group) and denying that one is protecting the self (and identifying group).

    4. Self-deception is denied by cover-up. In order for the coverup to work, it too must be covered up.

    Personally, I do not see how we can possibly rectify our problems by ensuring that the same thinking that gave rise to those problems is preserved (and I would say that this preservation even appears to be the over-riding priority!)

    Anyone know who the lady on frontline was who raised questions about the Public Service Management (Recruitment and Appointments) Act before Pat swiftly moved things on?

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    John Moran is leaving the DOF according to Newstalk. Not to take up any specific new job, it appears.

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