* Fiscal Stability Treaty Referendum 31st May 2012 *

[TotalMayhem]

"If we vote NO we won't have crippling austerity."

Jesus that's great news.

I think he did not listen to Elmar of the master race: If you vote NO, you might as well kiss your wages and pensions Good Bye.

[PaddyJoe]

Eamon O'Cuiv refused to give a commitment to a Yes vote earlier in the evening on TG4, according to PT there. Martin put on the spot

[disability student]

I think he did not listen to Elmar of the master race: If you vote NO, you might as well kiss your wages and pensions Good Bye.

That's what our greedy politicians are afraid of that scenario, once their gold plated pensions, expenses (both Vouched and un-vouched) and other additional expenses such as mileage, 2nd mortgage interest relief et al goes.

[Dr. FIVE]

This is going to be an awful farce

[TotalMayhem]

This is going to be an awful farce

Amen to that.

[TotalMayhem]

That's what our greedy politicians are afraid of that scenario

I love it...

In line with our public commitment, the Government has decided to consult the people by Referendum, and to seek their approval for the Treaty.

Nice words from the guy who conspired only 2 months ago to cut the people out of the decision. Has he been on the phone to the US embassy already?

[yehbut_nobut]

Interesting that France may well have a new President by the time we get to vote - especially given some of the policies mooted.
http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=11219

[Spectabilis]

The decision to hold the referendum 'risks an unprecedented fragmentation of the eurozone and a major clash with Germany. ' according to this report. The members of the Dail are described as a ashen-faced on Kenny's announcement.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...ens-chaos.html

[rebellin]

I thought Lyndon and Helga were locked up.

They are free and so are we

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[DCon]

The interesting point is that an Irish rejection won't make much difference. It only needs 12 countries to sign up for it go ahead.
As I recall, there was something in the small print about countries who don't sign up not being able to avail of money from the ESM from March 2013.
Time to have a look back at the thread on the Fiscal Compact.

I tend to agree with you PJ

The Telegraph say it would be politically untenable to leave us in limbo but I am sure they will press ahead regardless. This must be why they made it 12/15. To account for some needless democracy potentially interfering

Ireland cannot stop the process since a quorum of 12 states brings the treaty into force, but it would be politically untenable to create a new eurozone structure that left one member in limbo.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...ens-chaos.html

[Kev Bar]

I tend to agree with you PJ

The Telegraph say it would be politically untenable to leave us in limbo but I am sure they will press ahead regardless. This must be why they made it 12/15. To account for some needless democracy potentially interfering



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...ens-chaos.html

12/15 could hardly be described as undemocratic.

[DCon]

12/15 could hardly be described as undemocratic.

12/15 governments, not majority of citizens.

Not having a democratic vote could be described as undemocratic.

[DCon]

The German ruling party stance is quite clear

However, Dr Michael Meister, a budget and finance spokesman for Dr Merkel’s ruling Christian Democrats (CDU) said: “Whoever doesn’t accept the treaty has no protection from the ESM bailout fund. If the Irish people think they don’t need any ESM protection they can, of course, reject the fiscal treaty.”

Dr Günther Krichbaum, CDU European spokesman in parliament, said the question Ireland had to vote on was: “Do we want to stand together, do we want a stable and prospering union from which future generations can benefit?”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...breaking1.html

[Baron von Biffo]

Not having a democratic vote could be described as undemocratic.

So your name isn't Leo then?

[Baron von Biffo]

The spin on this in the Indo is incredible. Under the headline "Kenny's bold poll gamble" we're told:-

"Yesterday Mr Kenny gave [those calling for a referendum] what they wanted. By doing so, he brilliantly wrong-footed those who had been calling for a referendum to approve the fiscal compact."

It's like saying a man falling off a horse is brilliant for hitting the ground.

Taking the only available option does not show that you're a brilliant political strategist.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/ed...e-3034643.html