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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    The "Orange State" is not back for God's sake. Things aren't great but that's utter nonsense.
    It never actually went away you know. They're in everywhere even the fire and rescue service......Quote..A new investigation into the Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue service is focusing on the alleged use of fire service property in Orange halls.

    Investigators are examining the alleged use of materials, including wood, in several Orange Halls.unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20189062

    You can bet your bottom dollar they're all over Maghaberry Gaol too, in fact right through the Prison Service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    It never actually went away you know. They're in everywhere even the fire and rescue service......Quote..A new investigation into the Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue service is focusing on the alleged use of fire service property in Orange halls.

    Investigators are examining the alleged use of materials, including wood, in several Orange Halls.unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20189062

    You can bet your bottom dollar they're all over Maghaberry Gaol too, in fact right through the Prison Service.
    Hardly surprising really. There's large overlap of personnel between NI public bodies and unionist organisations like the Orange Order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dojo View Post
    Tell that to the residents of Ardoyne, Short Strand, Rathcoole, etc, etc. Oh and not forgetting......

    • The butcher's apron is triumphantly hoisted atop public buildings and most shared spaces, while.......
    • The national flag of Ireland is hoisted atop thousands of bonfires
    • Speaking of "Orange-fest", the 12th of July continues to be a public holiday across the north despite the bigotry and hatred spewed by the Orange Order and Loyalists.
    • Carson's statue outside Stormont
    • Still no Irish language act
    • Republicans harassed and imprisoned


    Should I continue?
    Yeah you should, because nothing there constitutes the Orange State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Yeah you should, because nothing there constitutes the Orange State.
    Delusional. Are you a member of Sinn Fein by any chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dojo View Post
    Delusional. Are you a member of Sinn Fein by any chance?
    Are you honestly saying that the "Orange State" of the fifties and sixties has returned because:

    1. People hang the Union Jack Around the Place
    2. Scumbags burn the Irish flag
    3. The Orange order still march
    4. Carson still has a statue
    5. Some republicans are harassed and jailed

    Really? I don't like any of the above but its a far cry from the days of widespread discrimination in housing and employment, pogroms, the specials etc that went on decades ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Are you honestly saying that the "Orange State" of the fifties and sixties has returned because:

    1. People hang the Union Jack Around the Place
    2. Scumbags burn the Irish flag
    3. The Orange order still march
    4. Carson still has a statue
    5. Some republicans are harassed and jailed

    Really? I don't like any of the above but its a far cry from the days of widespread discrimination in housing and employment, pogroms, the specials etc that went on decades ago.
    It's diluted orange.

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    Prison Officer David Black was buried today in a military style funeral less the volley of shots. His Union flag draped coffin was escorted to Church flanked by dozens of colleagues some wearing ''medals'' http://www.u.tv/News/Prison-officer-...0-66935d35123b

    Meanwhile, a prisoner has been found dead in his cell in Maghaberry overnight.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20225694
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    Prison Officer David Black was buried today in a military style funeral less the volley of shots. His Union flag draped coffin was escorted to Church flanked by dozens of colleagues some wearing ''medals'' http://www.u.tv/News/Prison-officer-...0-66935d35123b

    Meanwhile, a prisoner has been found dead in his cell in Maghaberry overnight.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20225694
    But when a Republican is buried with the tricolour draping their coffin unionists go ape-sh!t and hit the fury button.

    I don't agree with killing anyone, certainly David Black's death cannot be excused. However it's clear he was a staunch loyalist, with no love for nationalists or republicans. The NI civil service is run by these sort of people, loyalists who see everything through the prism of mother England.

    The north, while certainly not as bad as the old days, is still culturally, politically and economically an "orange state", run for the sole benefit of Ulster's loyal subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dojo View Post
    But when a Republican is buried with the tricolour draping their coffin unionists go ape-sh!t and hit the fury button.

    I don't agree with killing anyone, certainly David Black's death cannot be excused. However it's clear he was a staunch loyalist, with no love for nationalists or republicans. The NI civil service is run by these sort of people, loyalists who see everything through the prism of mother England.

    The north, while certainly not as bad as the old days, is still culturally, politically and economically an "orange state", run for the sole benefit of Ulster's loyal subjects.
    No-one should gloat at Death.

    The militant Republican mind will justify and ligitimise the kill based on revenge and resistance.
    Can't say a condemning word about David Black personally, having actually met the man unsashed and without crowned cap. He'd do the rounds in the early days and was the kind that made sure you got your essentials, phone call home, hot water and supper before lock up.

    It's a story that should be told that back in those days of forced integration prison staff acted swiftly to remove and were scathing of an attempt by loyalists to display a UFF flag on the Christmas dinner table.

    I and other Nationalists/Republicans locked up to eat in our cells much to the annoyance of the screws in a genuine ''that was out of order by the Loyalists attitude''. We told them. ''You won't give us use of the canteen any other day, you're not going to break us with Christmas treats.''

    Prisoners were running the wings at the time to the extent were there was a no first strike policy. We had laughed at the loyalist prisoners who themselves had only placed the painted bed sheet there as a ''jail joke.'' The screws just were'nt in on it. While the screws thought their forced integration policy was working and everyone was conforming we all knew it would be fight for your life, watch your back and a hard line sectarian policy when sentenced.

    I laughed at it although the UFF had murdered my Father one time i was in Gaol. And it brings a smile to my face even now to recall how we had won relative freedom of movement and trust in a moment in time.

    So much so that the Loyalist Officer Commanding told me as i shook his hand the day he was sentenced that he was going to begin by getting a hiding from his own people in the main block for ''mixing with fenians.''

    Alot about prison depends on attitude, your own and others and you get all sorts.

    I stood to attention and saluted the screws the day i got sentenced and was moving to the commital/sentenced block, the realm of the Ninja's.

    ''I relenquish command'' i said as a last wee act of defiance knowing, considering time already spent, i'd be out next week.
    For that stunt, saluting and so on and considering my charges, the Ninjas put me in a cell with a Loyalist UVF bomber just jailed as part of a feud.

    Plan backfired on them as we both laughed and shook hands both knowing what their game was. Besides, the Loyalist had more to worry about from other Loyalist's once he got over into general prison population. We spent an evening conversing upon politics, war and reason.

    Soon after i had left prison and the first wave of militant Republicans and Nationalist's[ young and old] reached general population they were ambushed individually by loyalists, beaten, scolded and so on.

    Because General prison population [sentenced block] was swollen with Loyalists at the time due to their feuding outside they used the force of numbers to put the croppies down. The ''Gaol struggle'' began there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    No-one should gloat at Death.

    The militant Republican mind will justify and ligitimise the kill based on revenge and resistance.
    Can't say a condemning word about David Black personally, having actually met the man unsashed and without crowned cap. He'd do the rounds in the early days and was the kind that made sure you got your essentials, phone call home, hot water and supper before lock up.

    It's a story that should be told that back in those days of forced integration prison staff acted swiftly to remove and were scathing of an attempt by loyalists to display a UFF flag on the Christmas dinner table.

    I and other Nationalists/Republicans locked up to eat in our cells much to the annoyance of the screws in a genuine ''that was out of order by the Loyalists attitude''. We told them. ''You won't give us use of the canteen any other day, you're not going to break us with Christmas treats.''

    Prisoners were running the wings at the time to the extent were there was a no first strike policy. We had laughed at the loyalist prisoners who themselves had only placed the painted bed sheet there as a ''jail joke.'' The screws just were'nt in on it. While the screws thought their forced integration policy was working and everyone was conforming we all knew it would be fight for your life, watch your back and a hard line sectarian policy when sentenced.

    I laughed at it although the UFF had murdered my Father one time i was in Gaol. And it brings a smile to my face even now to recall how we had won relative freedom of movement and trust in a moment in time.

    So much so that the Loyalist Officer Commanding told me as i shook his hand the day he was sentenced that he was going to begin by getting a hiding from his own people in the main block for ''mixing with fenians.''

    Alot about prison depends on attitude, your own and others and you get all sorts.

    I stood to attention and saluted the screws the day i got sentenced and was moving to the commital/sentenced block, the realm of the Ninja's.

    ''I relenquish command'' i said as a last wee act of defiance knowing, considering time already spent, i'd be out next week.
    For that stunt, saluting and so on and considering my charges, the Ninjas put me in a cell with a Loyalist UVF bomber just jailed as part of a feud.

    Plan backfired on them as we both laughed and shook hands both knowing what their game was. Besides, the Loyalist had more to worry about from other Loyalist's once he got over into general prison population. We spent an evening conversing upon politics, war and reason.

    Soon after i had left prison and the first wave of militant Republicans and Nationalist's[ young and old] reached general population they were ambushed individually by loyalists, beaten, scolded and so on.

    Because General prison population [sentenced block] was swollen with Loyalists at the time due to their feuding outside they used the force of numbers to put the croppies down. The ''Gaol struggle'' began there.
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    RNU have learned that our comrade, Ard Comhairle member Tony Taylor, this morning sustained multiple injuries in what can only be described as a savage attack, launched on him by Prison Officers as he was about to leave Maghaberry Prison en route to Derry Courthouse.

    Tony, a former H Block POW (who suffers greatly from internal injuries sustained in an explosion) was to learn today whether or not the case against him would proceed, just last week a ‘PE hearing’ heard that little or no evidence existed against him and it is our opinion that he may well have been released this morning had he made his way to court.

    He did not get that chance however. As he was about to leave Maghaberry we understand that a savage attack was launched on him by the prison search team under the guise of a ‘routine strip search’.

    RNU members travelling to Derry for the hearing were informed by friends of Tony’s that his hearing would not now go ahead, as Tony had been kept in Maghaberry to receive medical treatment due to the beating, specifically for a suspected broken hand.

    It is our belief that Prison Officers were aware that Tony was on the verge of release; the day of his last hearing coincided with the death of David Black and on that occasion anger on the faces of prison officers surrounding Tony was apparent. RNU were concerned from that point on that Tony would bear the brunt of their aggression.

    This morning it appears that Maghaberry staff did in fact take their aggression out on a lone, vulnerable protesting prisoner, and as a result he was denied the opportunity to face court and gain his rightful freedom.

    RNU again call for an immediate end to barbaric Strip Searching procedures in Maghaberry prison, and for the release of Tony Taylor.
    http://www.republicannetwork.ie/inde...=1:latest-news
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    Some very interesting and informative reading here, firstly an early days account via Independant Republican news and The Steele report. Eye opening.

    Quote...Eventually the gaol system was forced to act and the Steele report was commissioned and on the 8th Sept 2003 the Steele report was accepted and the Republican prisoners, on the basis of the report and other commitments given, ended their protest. The Republican prisoners were housed in Roe house, a compound within the main gaol, with its own added internal and external security.

    During the protest and negotiations the POA became a blockage to any change.. They were and still are opposed to Republicans getting their own wing. Immediately upon entering Roe house, prisoners found themselves in constant battle with the POA and the jail administration to try and get them to implement the Steel report and other commitment given. unquote.http://www.ir-news.net/editorial-page/

    Quote Steele report [The separation of
    paramilitary prisoners
    at HMP Maghaberry]
    ....13. Both NIPS and British Irish Rights Watch told us that concerns about the risks posed to
    individual safety by integration were first raised in 2001. It was, and remains, the case that
    there are considerably more loyalist than republican paramilitary prisoners in Maghaberry,
    and in that year there were at least two assaults by loyalist prisoners on republican
    prisoners. Other prisoners on both sides received threats to their safety.
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    British Irish
    Rights Watch believe that, at that time, the complaints and fears of prisoners on both sides
    were genuine and distinct from any desire for segregation on other grounds.
    14. The concern about safety only came to the fore as a major issue in the summer of 2003
    following a series of widely-publicised events at Maghaberry. A rooftop protest about
    overcrowding at the prison, at the end of June, became headline news in both Northern
    Ireland and mainland Britain. Days later, a ‘dirty’ protest began, in which a number of
    dissident republicans began to smear excrement on the walls of their cells. It was reported
    that these prisoners were demanding separation from loyalist prisoners on grounds of
    safety. The possibility that the protest might evolve into a hunger strike was also widely
    reported.
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    15. A debate began to develop around the protest, as individuals and groups on both sides
    of the community divide began to express doubts about the policy of integration. For
    example, we were told:
    “It is a fact that the majority of the population in Northern Ireland choose to live in
    areas that almost exclusively reflect their religious and political beliefs. Indeed, the
    Government erects “peace walls” to facilitate that division … It should be the right of
    prisoners to have a similar choice.
    We are not suggesting segregation on the grounds of allegiances to any paramilitary
    grouping or any form of political status, just simply that prisons reflect the reality of
    life in Northern Ireland”
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    and
    “…we accept that segregation was far from ideal … as the murders of Billy Wright
    and David Keys graphically illustrated … On the other hand, neither have we
    advocated enforced integration … if Northern Ireland society is not yet ready for
    integration, then it is neither desirable nor possible to use prisons for the conduct of
    social experiments.”
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    It was in this context of increasing public attention to, and sympathy for, the paramilitaries’
    case that the Steele Review was commissioned. unquote. Read entire report here...http://www.parliament.the-stationery...af/302/302.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5intheface View Post
    About time you were writing a book , Trow.
    I'd end up back in writing stories about the outside.
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    The incident relating to Tony Taylor [Republican Prisoner] as posted by Saoirse go Deo above is reported in BBC news also.

    Quote.. "The Governor is investigating an incident in a prison service van at Maghaberry Prison yesterday morning, (Thursday) involving a prisoner who was about to leave for court. One Prisoner Custody Officer received hospital treatment following the incident''.unquote.

    In this war of words you'll note ''the prison service'' overlook the fact that Tony also broke his wrist.....Quote.."When he came back, he said the governor told him he wasn't getting them and a member of the prison staff bounced Tony's head off the side of the van.

    "Then he put his hand on the back of his head and pushed it down on a bar.

    "The riot squad came out and kicked Tony in the face and stood on his hand.

    "He didn't get any treatment until Thursday night when it was confirmed that his wrist was broken and he also has injuries to his thumb and back.unquote.

    Maghaberry is reported as tense at the moment. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-norther...-west-20265321
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    http://ansionnachfionn.com/2012/11/0...onary-dynamic/

    Two accounts of how it is at Maghaberry - one from an outsider, visiting, and the other from a prisoner.
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