Vigilante murder in Donegal

[Binn Beal]

On today's news on RTE a Derry priest attributed the murder in Buncrana to an organisation that is policing districts of Derry and has 'exiled' more than 20 people.
Sinn Fein were quick to condemn them so I suspect that they are dissident Republicans.
With the Mexicanisation of drug crime in Ireland it was only a matter of time before some organisation stepped into the law-enforcement vacuum. Has anyone heard of them before? Are they just an NI phenomenon or will they be setting up branches in the Republic - Tallaght, Limerick?

[C. Flower]

A bad development. Particularly in that there have been no particular public campaigns that I've heard about to push the Gardai to take action. This criminalises people who would be much better off taking the avenue of politics.

[Saoirse go Deo]

Havent been paying attention to the media over the last week,but exiled from Derry? Must be RAAD? (Republican action against drugs)

Well the Dublin editions of the 32CSM newsletter claim that the RIRA have been executing drug dealers.

[C. Flower]

Havent been paying attention to the media over the last week,but exiled from Derry? Must be RAAD? (Republican action against drugs)

Well the Dublin editions of the 32CSM newsletter claim that the RIRA have been executing drug dealers.

Since when did we have capital punishment here ?

[Baron von Biffo]

Since when did we have capital punishment here ?

When self selected groups set themselves up as the law, the law is whatever they say it is.

[Saoirse go Deo]

Since when did we have capital punishment here ?

I wasn't endorsing anyone or anything, just answering the OPs questions.

Personally I'm very suspicious of RAAD and I don't think they are what they claim to be at all - if they are serious about cracking down on drugs and anti social behavior they should look in the mirror and stay away from GAA grounds.

The claim is that the guy was put out of Derry for anti-social behavior by RAAD. This is the first fatality they have been involved in AFAIK, I wonder if they meant to kill him or did they just fire shots through the window to intimidate - cowardly.

I've no time for this kind of vigilantism. The response of the police to drug dealers is horribly inadequate but this type of activity won't help very much.

[5intheface]

On today's news on RTE a Derry priest attributed the murder in Buncrana to an organisation that is policing districts of Derry and has 'exiled' more than 20 people.
Sinn Fein were quick to condemn them so I suspect that they are dissident Republicans.
With the Mexicanisation of drug crime in Ireland it was only a matter of time before some organisation stepped into the law-enforcement vacuum. Has anyone heard of them before? Are they just an NI phenomenon or will they be setting up branches in the Republic - Tallaght, Limerick?

Many more than 20 ordered out in the last year alone. They have been very busy and very unreasonable up to now. Incidents of people doing as they were told or even leaving the drugs industry only to be attacked anyway.

It is not simply a cover name for any group, it has a mixture of members and doesn't seem to be overly interested in anything which validates the using of the word, 'Republican'.

Thus group has already been very active in Dundalk btw.

I haven't any time for the police or judiciary either side of the border but execution on the orders of an outfit like this is unacceptable.

Turf the dealers out, torch their SUVs, fine but killing them?

[C. Flower]

Many more than 20 ordered out in the last year alone. They have been very busy and very unreasonable up to now. Incidents of people doing as they were told or even leaving the drugs industry only to be attacked anyway.

It is not simply a cover name for any group, it has a mixture of members and doesn't seem to be overly interested in anything which validates the using of the word, 'Republican'.

Thus group has already been very active in Dundalk btw.

I haven't any time for the police or judiciary either side of the border but execution on the orders of an outfit like this is unacceptable.

Turf the dealers out, torch their SUVs, fine but killing them?

The effects surely = "strategy of tension" - drive people out of political action, apart from those interested in "this sort of thing" ?

[Sam Lord]

The extent of speculation on this thread seems to be matched only by the paucity of facts.

[Binn Beal]

I have no further facts so let's proceed with the speculation.

There is undoubtedly an increase in crime from drug-distributing gangs which the state is unable or unwilling to tackle. These crimes are not just in the area of drug use - which is arguably not the business of a state in any case - but in many other areas, such as the abduction, rape and murder of a teenager that came to light recently. In many housing estates the whim of the crime boss is is law.

As this increases and communities give in to these new overlords, is it not right that citizens take action? Many here would argue that people should take direct action in other areas where the state contract fails. Why not in this area?

[Binn Beal]

This from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-norther...-west-16975323
Seems like some sort of 'purity' drive as practised by Islamic fundamentalists.

[toxic avenger]

This was a three minute walk around the corner from my uncle and aunt's house (and they did it a year or so ago down the road from where I was visiting my dad in hospital in Wilton, Cork). It's absolutely outrageous that they do this stuff in Derry, let alone bring this sh1t down to Buncrana. Only fascists do extrajudicial executions of petty criminals...

[toxic avenger]

As this increases and communities give in to these new overlords, is it not right that citizens take action? Many here would argue that people should take direct action in other areas where the state contract fails. Why not in this area?

Because it's fascism. Acting as a community to fight the dealers and overlords when the State fails is laudable. And if it goes a s far as getting a bit heavy, well sometimes that's necessary to protect a community from the people peddling poison to youngsters in the area. But execution? Never.

[Binn Beal]

I don't follow. What happened near the hospital? Are people being targeted because they live near your relatives?

I think that all shades of the political spectrum engage in extra-judicial killing and, when in government, in judicial executions as well.

[toxic avenger]

I don't follow. What happened near the hospital? Are people being targeted because they live near your relatives?

That would make sense, given the family politics in my extended family.. I was leaving CUH after visiting my dad (being treated for leukaemia and heart problems) when a load of police cars and an ambulance sped past heading to a house down the road where 'Republicans' had shot dead a local dealer in his house. My uncle and aunt live in Gransha, just up the hill from where this shooting took place.

I think that all shades of the political spectrum engage in extra-judicial killing and, when in government, in judicial executions as well.

That's relativism, whatabouttery - wrong is wrong is wrong. There can be no ifs or buts in dealing with fascism...