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    Default The septic tank charge fiasco

    Ho, hum, can I presume the lack of a specific thread on the septic tank charge (OK, I know it was alluded to on the Household Cavalry thread) indicates that ye are all tucked up comfortably with mains drains.

    It is a fiasco, Hogan is making a total dogs breakfast of it and accusing McGrath and O'Cuiv of stirring the ****. I think the Directive about which we were convicted for not implementing it is over 20 years old. So, no political mileage, just sloth.

    It is a GOOD directive, designed to improve drinking water quality, and recent scandals justify it. But political expediency of giving all and sundry planning permission, especially the sons and daughters of constituents, ensured that leaking lines of **** wouldn't be regulated.

    Apart from Hogans incompetence in introducing it and his waffle about connecting grey water outlets and toilet outfall in the same tank only requiring 'some technical adjustments' what the bloody hell is he going to do with slurry spreading, another piece of forced upon by the EU unenforceable legislation?

    This one could and maybe should be bracketed with the length of childrens' coats as a piece of FG appalling political management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Ho, hum, can I presume the lack of a specific thread on the septic tank charge (OK, I know it was alluded to on the Household Cavalry thread) indicates that ye are all tucked up comfortably with mains drains.

    It is a fiasco, Hogan is making a total dogs breakfast of it and accusing McGrath and O'Cuiv of stirring the ****. I think the Directive about which we were convicted for not implementing it is over 20 years old. So, no political mileage, just sloth.

    It is a GOOD directive, designed to improve drinking water quality, and recent scandals justify it. But political expediency of giving all and sundry planning permission, especially the sons and daughters of constituents, ensured that leaking lines of **** wouldn't be regulated.

    Apart from Hogans incompetence in introducing it and his waffle about connecting grey water outlets and toilet outfall in the same tank only requiring 'some technical adjustments' what the bloody hell is he going to do with slurry spreading, another piece of forced upon by the EU unenforceable legislation?

    This one could and maybe should be bracketed with the length of childrens' coats as a piece of FG appalling political management.
    I'm still unclear about what will be enforced, if anything.

    I'd be in favour of a means tested grant for people who need to ugrade to meet the standard and have no money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Ho, hum, can I presume the lack of a specific thread on the septic tank charge (OK, I know it was alluded to on the Household Cavalry thread) indicates that ye are all tucked up comfortably with mains drains.

    It is a fiasco, Hogan is making a total dogs breakfast of it and accusing McGrath and O'Cuiv of stirring the ****. I think the Directive about which we were convicted for not implementing it is over 20 years old. So, no political mileage, just sloth.

    It is a GOOD directive, designed to improve drinking water quality, and recent scandals justify it. But political expediency of giving all and sundry planning permission, especially the sons and daughters of constituents, ensured that leaking lines of **** wouldn't be regulated.

    Apart from Hogans incompetence in introducing it and his waffle about connecting grey water outlets and toilet outfall in the same tank only requiring 'some technical adjustments' what the bloody hell is he going to do with slurry spreading, another piece of forced upon by the EU unenforceable legislation?

    This one could and maybe should be bracketed with the length of childrens' coats as a piece of FG appalling political management.
    1. It is designed, pure and simple to extract money from people to pay off bank debts. Everything else is cognitive dissonance and political spin.

    2. Even if there might be a case to sort out the percolation systems, you don't force it upon people during the biggest recession in the country's history. Wait until there are jobs.
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    The 'Special Offer' of a fiver to register is just a distraction from the main issue which is the disadvantageous treatment of rural dwellers. If for any reason the urban sewage system goes faulty and causes pollution the total cost of repair and clean up is borne by the taxpayer. Hogan is proposing that where rural systems fall below spec the cost of remedial works will fall on the householder. Even if there's a grant for part of the costs it still means there's a two tier system with urbanites very much in the upper tier.

    One way to address the inequality would be to have a property tax based on house value. The cost of providing and maintaining one's own water and sewage systems would would lower the value of a house and thus the tax. It's perhaps not surprising that there's an urban based campaign to preserve the inequality by opposing such a tax.

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    Adams is definitely reading PW:-

    ""Billions have been spent on upgrading and providing a modern sewerage system in urban areas," he said.

    "Rural households helped to pay for this through taxes yet they are being forced by your government to bear the burden of the cost of improvements, upgrades and replacements.”"


    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...e-3012610.html

    SF coffers must be bulging from all the donations from TD salaries so I hope the boss is billing them for PW consultancy services.

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    Hogan spoofing on this on DriveTime now. Wilson failing to ask him about the unfair discrimination against rural dwellers.

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    Wilson fully on message with Hogan that rural people don't care about polluting water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Wilson fully on message with Hogan that rural people don't care about polluting water.
    Rural people are probably closer and more aware of their water source than alot of urban dwellers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concernedparent View Post
    Rural people are probably closer and more aware of their water source than alot of urban dwellers.
    Quite. Which makes Hogan's smear all the more offensive.

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    Fergal Keane on DriveTime now claiming that Hogan can't extend the HC deadline because he already 'backed down' and did a U-turn on the septic tank tax. Of course the truth is that Hogan did not back down. He's pressing ahead with the unfair discrimination against rural dwellers and has only reduced the registration fee.

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    In todays IT there is an item on a 175% increase in e.coli infections, attributed to slurry spreading. Hogan extended the slurry spreading "season" again, allowing it in times when rain causes runoff into drinking water sources. Meanwhile we are moving towards big fines for not controlling drinking water sources, septic tanks, etc., including slurry management. Just another instance of Hogans arrogance and the left hand not knowing(?) what the right is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    In todays IT there is an item on a 175% increase in e.coli infections, attributed to slurry spreading. Hogan extended the slurry spreading "season" again, allowing it in times when rain causes runoff into drinking water sources. Meanwhile we are moving towards big fines for not controlling drinking water sources, septic tanks, etc., including slurry management. Just another instance of Hogans arrogance and the left hand not knowing(?) what the right is doing.
    @Barry

    Not only is there long term health implications there could be a raft of law suits against farmers for long term illness as a result. Hogan is allowing this situation to occur by extending slurry season and as such is attributing to the situation. More info on what E Coli can do and the long term health effects. In 15% of cases apparently is when the long term effects are felt

    http://foodpoisoning.pritzkerlaw.com...-coli-hus.html

    •Kidney Failure: HUS is the leading cause of kidney failure in children. Impaired ***** production during HUS and the development of long-term health consequences appear related. Children with HUS whose ***** output stops have more severe disease progression and usually require dialysis. These children have longer hospitalizations and have more severe complications during the course of their illness. Failure to pass ***** during the acute phase of HUS has been a strong predictor of persisting abnormalities at follow-up, including chronic kidney impairment.
    •Neurological Damage: It is not uncommon during the acute stage of E. coli HUS for a patient to develop seizures, have a stroke or go into a coma. These events can cause permanent neurological damage, or, more often, the effects linger for up to four years before a person recovers.
    •Diabetes: Not uncommonly, E. coli HUS brings on diabetes in the acute phase. In some patients, it persists and develops into prolonged insulin-dependent diabetes.
    •Gastro-intestinal Disease: A study of child E. coli HUS patients from a 1993 outbreak found that 10 percent of them developed gall stones. Another long-term consequence of infection in some documented cases involves narrowing of the small intestine or colon. Also, E. coli HUS patients have been linked to infection-induced irritable bowel syndrome, a very painful and chronic disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Fergal Keane on DriveTime now claiming that Hogan can't extend the HC deadline because he already 'backed down' and did a U-turn on the septic tank tax. Of course the truth is that Hogan did not back down. He's pressing ahead with the unfair discrimination against rural dwellers and has only reduced the registration fee.
    Of course he backed down. It was €50 and he hacked down by 90% to a fiver. Sorry but if they choose to live on single dwelling haciendas on their land, it is hardly discrimination. It is just a tiny, infitesmal cost for the luxury of living in a detached hacienda on their own land. A pittance, yet the sheer aggro this trifling cost has kicked off is astounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    Of course he backed down. It was €50 and he hacked down by 90% to a fiver. Sorry but if they choose to live on single dwelling haciendas on their land, it is hardly discrimination. It is just a tiny, infitesmal cost for the luxury of living in a detached hacienda on their own land. A pittance, yet the sheer aggro this trifling cost has kicked off is astounding.
    Well no-one can accuse you of being hasty Slim - 8 months to come up with that reply.

    Then again, if you'd spent a bit more time on it you might have spotted that it's a solid case for Dubs paying a significantly higher RPT to the rest of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Well no-one can accuse you of being hasty Slim - 8 months to come up with that reply.

    Then again, if you'd spent a bit more time on it you might have spotted that it's a solid case for Dubs paying a significantly higher RPT to the rest of the country.
    It is just that I couldn´t be arsed up to now but the ridiculous "persecution complex" nonsense is getting to be way over the top.

    As for the RPT, it is a different topic surely? But you love muddying the waters, Biffo, don't you?
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