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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    It is just that I couldn´t be arsed up to now but the ridiculous "persecution complex" nonsense is getting to be way over the top.

    As for the RPT, it is a different topic surely? But you love muddying the waters, Biffo, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Glad to see that you tacitly acknowledge the "persecution complex" to be an utter pisstake.

    As for RPT, that's is an entirely separate issue. Another battle, another field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    Glad to see that you tacitly acknowledge the "persecution complex" to be an utter pisstake.
    It is, but you Dubs seem to develop it with your mother's milk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    As for RPT, that's is an entirely separate issue. Another battle, another field.
    You raised the matter of people having to deal with the financial consequences of where they choose to live - even though you don't seem to understand how they operate in relation to septic tanks - so you shouldn't be surprised when someone points out the broader consequences of your philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    It is, but you Dubs seem to develop it with your mother's milk.



    You raised the matter of people having to deal with the financial consequences of where they choose to live - even though you don't seem to understand how they operate in relation to septic tanks - so you shouldn't be surprised when someone points out the broader consequences of your philosophy.


    It is not us moaning endlessly about a paltry fiver for the luxury of living in detached houses.

    No "putting on the green jersey" out on the high plains, is there, Biffo?

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    Now, now, boys, calm down.

    Look at the politics. Hogan is playing a classic cute hoor game here. otoh he is allowing slurry spreading 'out of season' and otoh he is playing along with the rural lobby who are unhappy with the septic tank fiasco. And third of all he is looking after the folks in South Tipp/Killkenny.

    Questions -

    1. Why Hogan on slurry spreading? isn't it Dept of Ag stuff (literally)?

    2. Where is the Dept of Health or HIQUA or whoever the feck it is who looks after public health?

    3. Where are we on the septic tank fiasco? the cheap deal ran out on Sept 28th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Now, now, boys, calm down.

    Look at the politics. Hogan is playing a classic cute hoor game here. otoh he is allowing slurry spreading 'out of season' and otoh he is playing along with the rural lobby who are unhappy with the septic tank fiasco. And third of all he is looking after the folks in South Tipp/Killkenny.

    Questions -

    1. Why Hogan on slurry spreading? isn't it Dept of Ag stuff (literally)?
    Presumably Environment deals with this because the consequences go beyond the boundaries of farms.

    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    2. Where is the Dept of Health or HIQUA or whoever the feck it is who looks after public health?
    Are things not bad enough with one department handling it without introducing a second?

    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    3. Where are we on the septic tank fiasco? the cheap deal ran out on Sept 28th.
    It looks to be getting the same levels of compliance as the ill fated Rod Licence.

    Opponents of the Household Charge claim it's double taxation in that the services it's intended to pay for are already paid for from income tax. If that's the case then the septic tank tax is quadruple payment.

    • Rural dwellers pay income tax on the same basis as everyone else but don't get sewerage services.
    • They pay the full cost of providing their own facilities.
    • They pay the HC but still get no service.
    • Now they have to pay a tax on the facilities they provided at their own expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Now, now, boys, calm down.

    Look at the politics. Hogan is playing a classic cute hoor game here. otoh he is allowing slurry spreading 'out of season' and otoh he is playing along with the rural lobby who are unhappy with the septic tank fiasco. And third of all he is looking after the folks in South Tipp/Killkenny.

    Questions -

    1. Why Hogan on slurry spreading? isn't it Dept of Ag stuff (literally)?

    2. Where is the Dept of Health or HIQUA or whoever the feck it is who looks after public health?

    3. Where are we on the septic tank fiasco? the cheap deal ran out on Sept 28th.
    Just your first point its the EPA They come under the remit fo the Dept of Environment
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    I thought this septic tank thing was sorted out?
    Ireland has been fined €3.5m by the European Court of Justice for failing to comply with environmental law - the first time such penalties have been imposed.
    The cases relate to Ireland's failure to regulate septic tanks, and to correctly transpose an EU Directive on environmental impact assessments.
    The court imposed a lump-sum fine of €2m, as well as a daily fine of €12,000 for each day of delay in implementing a court judgment from 2009.
    This is the first time such penalties have been imposed on Ireland and it is a severe embarrassment to this Government and its predecessors.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1219/env...urt-fines.html

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    Ireland also asked that we being a bailout Nation was taken into account when determining the fine to be imposed.
    Thomas Jefferson : Banking Establishments are More Dangerous to our Liberties than Standing Armies.

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    About ten posts ago I mentioned the fines....

    Remember, this directive was passed (we were one of the participants) in 1993. We didn't implement it because there was too much political capital involved.

    Hogan claims it is a 'legacy issue' - bullsh1t. He had to introduce the septic tank charge to avoid the fines being worse because we had done nothing. I just LOVE the 'ability to pay' insult from the Court - I wonder if they will use it as an argument in the negotiations on the bank debt (sure the ECJ has approved our poverty)??

    No more mention of the e.coli instances - presumably a piece of news management to ensure the stats are not announced.

    The EPA are supposed to be introducing something, what? Without actual inspection the directive cannot be followed. Presumably they won't actually pay the €12k daily, there will be a 'negotiation' in about five years time (when this is all forgotten, no press release) about how much they actually owe. Nobody in the EU actually benefits from the €12k it is just accounting. I'm not even sure the ECJ has a follow up method of have they paid the fines.....

    Hogan should be hung drawn and quartered but he won't - handy isn't it that the ECJ reported just before the hols.....wonder who fixed that?

    As I said in the OP, ho-hum.

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    how can anyone defend septic tanks that are destroying our water systems and dangerous to our childrens health. These objectors are now costing us millions more in fines and daily charges, and its not the government that is paying these fines , its us the Taxpayers

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    Quote Originally Posted by culmore View Post
    how can anyone defend septic tanks that are destroying our water systems and dangerous to our childrens health. These objectors are now costing us millions more in fines and daily charges, and its not the government that is paying these fines , its us the Taxpayers
    It's not a question of defending faulty tanks but one of equality. A few years ago when the Galway sewage system was poisoning water sources the repair costs were picked up by the taxpayer. Rural people have a right to the same treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culmore View Post
    how can anyone defend septic tanks that are destroying our water systems and dangerous to our childrens health. These objectors are now costing us millions more in fines and daily charges, and its not the government that is paying these fines , its us the Taxpayers
    NOBODY is defending anything. The protest is against the arbitrary charge for those who happen to have a septic tank. In addition there is protest against incompetence. I'd say septic tank owners don't want contaminated water.

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    An open question to all.
    Assuming worst case senario, a septic tank fails inspection whatever that means. How does the owner of the property legally stand if they where allowed, through the legal process to purchase and take legal ownership and registration of a property with a non conforming tank in the period since europe imposed the relevant legislation. Most owners would not have made their particular purchase if they had been made aware of the potential future expense they faced.

    Any thought on responsibility or come back against the legal profession.

    Pajo

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajo View Post
    An open question to all.
    Assuming worst case senario, a septic tank fails inspection whatever that means. How does the owner of the property legally stand if they where allowed, through the legal process to purchase and take legal ownership and registration of a property with a non conforming tank in the period since europe imposed the relevant legislation. Most owners would not have made their particular purchase if they had been made aware of the potential future expense they faced.

    Any thought on responsibility or come back against the legal profession.

    Pajo
    We can't give legal advice here, only personal opinion. If someone professional had inspected the property and incorrectly said it complied with regulations, when it hadn't and the purchase had relied on that report, then perhaps they could be pursued.
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