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    Default The septic tank charge fiasco

    Ho, hum, can I presume the lack of a specific thread on the septic tank charge (OK, I know it was alluded to on the Household Cavalry thread) indicates that ye are all tucked up comfortably with mains drains.

    It is a fiasco, Hogan is making a total dogs breakfast of it and accusing McGrath and O'Cuiv of stirring the ****. I think the Directive about which we were convicted for not implementing it is over 20 years old. So, no political mileage, just sloth.

    It is a GOOD directive, designed to improve drinking water quality, and recent scandals justify it. But political expediency of giving all and sundry planning permission, especially the sons and daughters of constituents, ensured that leaking lines of **** wouldn't be regulated.

    Apart from Hogans incompetence in introducing it and his waffle about connecting grey water outlets and toilet outfall in the same tank only requiring 'some technical adjustments' what the bloody hell is he going to do with slurry spreading, another piece of forced upon by the EU unenforceable legislation?

    This one could and maybe should be bracketed with the length of childrens' coats as a piece of FG appalling political management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Ho, hum, can I presume the lack of a specific thread on the septic tank charge (OK, I know it was alluded to on the Household Cavalry thread) indicates that ye are all tucked up comfortably with mains drains.

    It is a fiasco, Hogan is making a total dogs breakfast of it and accusing McGrath and O'Cuiv of stirring the ****. I think the Directive about which we were convicted for not implementing it is over 20 years old. So, no political mileage, just sloth.

    It is a GOOD directive, designed to improve drinking water quality, and recent scandals justify it. But political expediency of giving all and sundry planning permission, especially the sons and daughters of constituents, ensured that leaking lines of **** wouldn't be regulated.

    Apart from Hogans incompetence in introducing it and his waffle about connecting grey water outlets and toilet outfall in the same tank only requiring 'some technical adjustments' what the bloody hell is he going to do with slurry spreading, another piece of forced upon by the EU unenforceable legislation?

    This one could and maybe should be bracketed with the length of childrens' coats as a piece of FG appalling political management.
    I'm still unclear about what will be enforced, if anything.

    I'd be in favour of a means tested grant for people who need to ugrade to meet the standard and have no money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Ho, hum, can I presume the lack of a specific thread on the septic tank charge (OK, I know it was alluded to on the Household Cavalry thread) indicates that ye are all tucked up comfortably with mains drains.

    It is a fiasco, Hogan is making a total dogs breakfast of it and accusing McGrath and O'Cuiv of stirring the ****. I think the Directive about which we were convicted for not implementing it is over 20 years old. So, no political mileage, just sloth.

    It is a GOOD directive, designed to improve drinking water quality, and recent scandals justify it. But political expediency of giving all and sundry planning permission, especially the sons and daughters of constituents, ensured that leaking lines of **** wouldn't be regulated.

    Apart from Hogans incompetence in introducing it and his waffle about connecting grey water outlets and toilet outfall in the same tank only requiring 'some technical adjustments' what the bloody hell is he going to do with slurry spreading, another piece of forced upon by the EU unenforceable legislation?

    This one could and maybe should be bracketed with the length of childrens' coats as a piece of FG appalling political management.
    1. It is designed, pure and simple to extract money from people to pay off bank debts. Everything else is cognitive dissonance and political spin.

    2. Even if there might be a case to sort out the percolation systems, you don't force it upon people during the biggest recession in the country's history. Wait until there are jobs.
    "Fascinating, watching the world act as though it still had a financial system. Using the toilet, when the pipes are gone." - some guy on twitter

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    The 'Special Offer' of a fiver to register is just a distraction from the main issue which is the disadvantageous treatment of rural dwellers. If for any reason the urban sewage system goes faulty and causes pollution the total cost of repair and clean up is borne by the taxpayer. Hogan is proposing that where rural systems fall below spec the cost of remedial works will fall on the householder. Even if there's a grant for part of the costs it still means there's a two tier system with urbanites very much in the upper tier.

    One way to address the inequality would be to have a property tax based on house value. The cost of providing and maintaining one's own water and sewage systems would would lower the value of a house and thus the tax. It's perhaps not surprising that there's an urban based campaign to preserve the inequality by opposing such a tax.

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    Adams is definitely reading PW:-

    ""Billions have been spent on upgrading and providing a modern sewerage system in urban areas," he said.

    "Rural households helped to pay for this through taxes yet they are being forced by your government to bear the burden of the cost of improvements, upgrades and replacements.”"


    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...e-3012610.html

    SF coffers must be bulging from all the donations from TD salaries so I hope the boss is billing them for PW consultancy services.

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    Hogan spoofing on this on DriveTime now. Wilson failing to ask him about the unfair discrimination against rural dwellers.

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    Wilson fully on message with Hogan that rural people don't care about polluting water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Wilson fully on message with Hogan that rural people don't care about polluting water.
    Rural people are probably closer and more aware of their water source than alot of urban dwellers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concernedparent View Post
    Rural people are probably closer and more aware of their water source than alot of urban dwellers.
    Quite. Which makes Hogan's smear all the more offensive.

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    Fergal Keane on DriveTime now claiming that Hogan can't extend the HC deadline because he already 'backed down' and did a U-turn on the septic tank tax. Of course the truth is that Hogan did not back down. He's pressing ahead with the unfair discrimination against rural dwellers and has only reduced the registration fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Fergal Keane on DriveTime now claiming that Hogan can't extend the HC deadline because he already 'backed down' and did a U-turn on the septic tank tax. Of course the truth is that Hogan did not back down. He's pressing ahead with the unfair discrimination against rural dwellers and has only reduced the registration fee.
    Of course he backed down. It was €50 and he hacked down by 90% to a fiver. Sorry but if they choose to live on single dwelling haciendas on their land, it is hardly discrimination. It is just a tiny, infitesmal cost for the luxury of living in a detached hacienda on their own land. A pittance, yet the sheer aggro this trifling cost has kicked off is astounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    Of course he backed down. It was €50 and he hacked down by 90% to a fiver. Sorry but if they choose to live on single dwelling haciendas on their land, it is hardly discrimination. It is just a tiny, infitesmal cost for the luxury of living in a detached hacienda on their own land. A pittance, yet the sheer aggro this trifling cost has kicked off is astounding.
    Well no-one can accuse you of being hasty Slim - 8 months to come up with that reply.

    Then again, if you'd spent a bit more time on it you might have spotted that it's a solid case for Dubs paying a significantly higher RPT to the rest of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Well no-one can accuse you of being hasty Slim - 8 months to come up with that reply.

    Then again, if you'd spent a bit more time on it you might have spotted that it's a solid case for Dubs paying a significantly higher RPT to the rest of the country.
    It is just that I couldn´t be arsed up to now but the ridiculous "persecution complex" nonsense is getting to be way over the top.

    As for the RPT, it is a different topic surely? But you love muddying the waters, Biffo, don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    It is just that I couldn´t be arsed up to now but the ridiculous "persecution complex" nonsense is getting to be way over the top.

    As for the RPT, it is a different topic surely? But you love muddying the waters, Biffo, don't you?

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    Now, now, boys, calm down.

    Look at the politics. Hogan is playing a classic cute hoor game here. otoh he is allowing slurry spreading 'out of season' and otoh he is playing along with the rural lobby who are unhappy with the septic tank fiasco. And third of all he is looking after the folks in South Tipp/Killkenny.

    Questions -

    1. Why Hogan on slurry spreading? isn't it Dept of Ag stuff (literally)?

    2. Where is the Dept of Health or HIQUA or whoever the feck it is who looks after public health?

    3. Where are we on the septic tank fiasco? the cheap deal ran out on Sept 28th.

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