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    RTE is reporting a major fire near the Customs House / Ulster Bank headquarters, with a number of homeless people being rescued from an upper floor.

    Any first hand reports or photographs ?
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    Are there any live webcams in the area?

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    Doesn't mention any injuries:

    A number of homeless people had to be rescued from a burning building in Dublin this morning after fire broke out on the top floor.
    Seven units of Dublin fire brigade at one stage tackled the blaze at the property on City Quay beside the Ulster Bank headquarters.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0910/dublin.html
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    Default Re: Dublin - Fire Near Custom House - Homeless People Rescued - any Reports ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Griska View Post
    Doesn't mention any injuries:



    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0910/dublin.html





    Good photos with that report, thanks. At least it wasn't a high building. I'm a bit concerned as to whether we have the capacity to fight fires / do rescues in some of the apartment and office blocks built in the last five years.

    A pity that people are still living rough, when there is so much empty accommodation.

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    Yes, a problem that never went away, even while we were all partying.
    The usual line is "homelessness is about more than accommodation".
    Which is partly true, but it's not as if the other related services are up to scratch, eg. mental health, addiction treatment, advice on accessing financial supports (which is a huge issue).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griska View Post
    Yes, a problem that never went away, even while we were all partying.
    The usual line is "homelessness is about more than accommodation".
    Which is partly true, but it's not as if the other related services are up to scratch, eg. mental health, addiction treatment, advice on accessing financial supports (which is a huge issue).
    It seems to have got much worse recently. I heard they had closed down a lot of "step up" transitional accommodation and that Dublin City Council is handing out sleeping bags because of the shortfall in beds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    It seems to have got much worse recently. I heard they had closed down a lot of "step up" transitional accommodation and that Dublin City Council is handing out sleeping bags because of the shortfall in beds.
    I believe that the post the boardwalk primetime 'scandal' and growing trader complaints at city centre dealing, that some city center hostels and services were closed/relocated to minimise city centre homelessness and related lifestyle issues.
    Think I saw the Salvation Army near the Abbey was shut in recent months.

    Growing demand would probably be adding to the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev Bar View Post
    I believe that the post the boardwalk primetime 'scandal' and growing trader complaints at city centre dealing, that some city center hostels and services were closed/relocated to minimise city centre homelessness and related lifestyle issues.
    Think I saw the Salvation Army near the Abbey was shut in recent months.

    Growing demand would probably be adding to the problem.
    Surely, all they ever needed to do on the boardwalk is have a Guard or two walk up and down it ?

    This is the first time I've heard it said that city centre hostels have been closed for that kind of reason. It is very disturbing to hear that places are being shut.

    Just found this, which sheds some light, but is out of date.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...279827913.html

    It seems that the plan was to privatise "homeless" accommodation (another wheeze to put money in the pockets of private landlords?) except it isn't working.

    There is a "non-market response" (there is also a non-literate use of English).

    THE HOMELESS Agency has postponed the planned closure of an emergency shelter in Dublin city centre because it has not been able to source long-term accommodation for homeless residents.

    It has also warned non-governmental organisations of a recent upsurge in demand for emergency shelter accommodation in Dublin, which is unlikely to decrease for some time.

    In a memo to homeless services staff, the agency says the closure of the Salvation Army hostel Cedar House is being “deferred for a minimum of six months”. The 50-bed hostel in Marlborough Street in Dublin was due to close this week.

    This is the second time the Homeless Agency, which is co-ordinating a radical shake-up of homeless services in the capital, has postponed the closure of Cedar House, and effectively confirms that a Government plan to end long-term homelessness by the end of 2010 will not succeed.

    The Government’s Pathway to Home strategy aims to eliminate long-term homelessness and rough sleeping by the end of the year. Up to 2,000 people are currently experiencing long-term homelessness in Dublin – meaning they have been without a home for more than six months.
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    The strategy envisages phasing out 1,000 emergency beds in hostels and bed and breakfasts throughout the greater Dublin area and replacing them with 1,200 long-term tenancies.[/B] It would also see a revamp of the delivery of care and outreach services to homeless people facing mental health, drug and alcohol-dependency problems and give local authorities more responsibility for placing homeless people.

    Closing Cedar House was one of the first practical steps envisaged in implementing the Pathway to Home strategy. Two other emergency shelters – Charlemont Street and Bolton Street – are also targeted for closure under the plan to enable their occupants to move on to longer-term accommodation such as private flats.

    The Homeless Agency memo to partner agencies seen by The Irish Times says it “won’t close any emergency accommodation without first ensuring that there is an appropriate, suitable, alternative accommodation in place”. It says two challenges have caused it to defer the closure – access to housing and an “earlier than usual increase” in demand for emergency homeless accommodation.

    The memo says “an increase in the number of non-Irish nationals accessing homeless services” is putting additional pressure on the existing levels of emergency accommodation. It says to ensure there is an adequate number of beds available it is necessary to defer the closure of Cedar House.

    It says “aggressive” efforts by housing bodies and local authorities to secure alternative long-term housing by using the Department of Environment’s procurement schemes are encountering “a market non-response”.

    “As a consequence of this, there are not sufficient, suitable long-term accommodation options in place at this time,” the memo concludes.

    A separate progress report on the Pathway to Home strategy drawn up by the agency says just 305 of the planned 1,000 tenancies sought last year to accommodate people who are in long-term homelessness started on or before December 31st, 2009.

    A further 424 housing units were agreed but are “subject to certain administrative matters relating to tenancy agreements and ensuring that the buildings comply with appropriate standards for long-term housing”.

    The agency has set a target of agreeing 1,200 tenancies in 2010 to make up the shortfall from 2009. But so far it has been unsuccessful in attracting long-term tenancies from the private sector through a leasing scheme backed by the Government.

    In a statement, the Homeless Agency said its challenge is getting access to housing as opposed to Government commitment.

    “The funding and schemes are in place from central Government. We are experiencing a non-market response despite huge efforts being made to source properties by the local authorities and approved housing bodies.”
    I could have told them that would be a disaster. There's always going to be a need for some specialised accommodation for people with difficulties. I know of some of this accommodation where men not really able to cope on their own were living with some supports and it was closed under this scheme. Some of them would simply not manage in a flat without some supports, even if there was a "market response".

    And the idea that local authorities have the expertise or disposition to deal with this is simply cracked.
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    http://www.irishpost.co.uk/index.php...less-in-london

    Good article on the problems faced by homeless Irish in London and the issues they are coming up against. As I said before, can we not use the NAMA buildings to take care of these issues and repatriate people home?....
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    I regularly do a soup run in Dublin and the conditions some people live in are atrocious. I've noticed quite a number of well spoken, intelligent people living on the streets - if you met them you'd never guess they were homeless. These people are a product of the economic climate, not the "traditional homeless" (people with mental/drug problems etc) people tend to think of.

    The biggest problem is the hostels - they are understaffed and quite frankly dangerous (I've never been in one but people on the streets have told me, a good few prefer to sleep in doorways rather than go into hostels) with crime (theft mainly, as well as assault) drink and drug use common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    I regularly do a soup run in Dublin and the conditions some people live in are atrocious. I've noticed quite a number of well spoken, intelligent people living on the streets - if you met them you'd never guess they were homeless. These people are a product of the economic climate, not the "traditional homeless" (people with mental/drug problems etc) people tend to think of.

    The biggest problem is the hostels - they are understaffed and quite frankly dangerous (I've never been in one but people on the streets have told me, a good few prefer to sleep in doorways rather than go into hostels) with crime (theft mainly, as well as assault) drink and drug use common.

    Its people like you SgD that I admire doing that kind of work, its not an easy job. THese people have been forced from their jobs and their homes and end up on the streets of the capital with not much chances . I drink the odd time with a few parole officers and one of them works in a homeless hostel one night a week and said that its a cess pit in some cases, he works in one in Dublin 1 where there is no amount of hassle and grief and sexual assault is a bit of an issue (for homeless females). Its a problem over looked by the government for too long.
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    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29725386.html

    Another fire in the city centre. Its suspected that there may have been homeless people sleeping in the derelict building...
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