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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    The Minister for Lifestyle Choices has given us a little gem of her wisdom on the subject of lone parents:-

    "The gross rate of fraud in lone parents was very high"

    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...d-3182673.html

    So now you know why we have 10 times as many people checking for welfare fraud than for white collar criminals.
    Mostly it was done to preserve useless public sector clerk's from redundancies

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    How is receiving a payment for being a carer, and saving the State in healthcare costs, difficult to justify?

    SOCIAL Protection Minister Joan Burton has signalled that she is going to target people on double social welfare payments in the Budget.

    It is a revival of a three-year-old plan, which called for people to be restricted to a single main social welfare payment to save up to €200m per year.

    Those most at risk of being cut are the 21,000 people on a half-rate carer's allowance of around €102 per week. They are able to claim a second social welfare payment such as illness benefit of €188 per week or single parent's allowance of €188 per week.

    Ms Burton said yesterday the double payments were "difficult to justify".
    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...y-3194341.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    How is receiving a payment for being a carer, and saving the State in healthcare costs, difficult to justify?


    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...y-3194341.html
    For the rabid right it's always easy to justify cutting social welfare.

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    Joan Burton is a lazy, good-for-nothing windbag. She has done the lot of us a favor by pretty much going to ground since landing her cushy ministerial job.

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    She now wants to cut the double allowance paid to carers who also claim social ? Single parents or those in illness benefits are going to be affected, again the most vunerable in society...

    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...y-3194341.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    How is receiving a payment for being a carer, and saving the State in healthcare costs, difficult to justify?



    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...y-3194341.html
    Sorry just saw this.

    Know of one man whose mother has bone cancer and another form of cancer and is just living out her last days. He is getting carers allowance and jobseekers to care for his mother. He has a mortgage over his head and is doing his best to balance his time out. Just recently he was diagnosed with a heart problem. These are the people she is going to attac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Sorry just saw this.

    Know of one man whose mother has bone cancer and another form of cancer and is just living out her last days. He is getting carers allowance and jobseekers to care for his mother. He has a mortgage over his head and is doing his best to balance his time out. Just recently he was diagnosed with a heart problem. These are the people she is going to attac.
    I am truly sorry for your friend and his mother, cancer is a cruel killer. Such post like yours makes me very angry. I thought that Minister Burton was an Economist, if so, surely she would realise the benefits of the carers' allowance as it is rather than the cost of palliative care in specialist hospital at the cost of a nurse/specialist/hr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitty O'Shea View Post
    I am truly sorry for your friend and his mother, cancer is a cruel killer. Such post like yours makes me very angry. I thought that Minister Burton was an Economist, if so, surely she would realise the benefits of the carers' allowance as it is rather than the cost of palliative care in specialist hospital at the cost of a nurse/specialist/hr.
    Thanks Kitty


    I think Burton is out of touch with the real world.. When she sits in her Ivory tower castigating the unemployed and everyone else she forgets we all dont get perks and a huge salary. The woman spends too much time listening to the FG fossils...
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    Joan will be getting ideas from the Tories

    Last edited by DCon; 28-08-2012 at 11:31 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Joan will be getting ideas from the Tories

    Having been involved with charities in the past I don't think it will do those sorts of organisations a lot of good to participate in schemes like this. Individuals who are coerced into working with a charity could prove to be very disruptive to its aims and charities that co-operate with an unpopular scheme to exploit youngsters will lose the respect of the public.

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    Child benefit - as a universal benefit - proposed to go - with a cut down to 120 euro per child - and some kind of top up for people on benefits.

    Why not use tax instead ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Child benefit - as a universal benefit - proposed to go - with a cut down to 120 euro per child - and some kind of top up for people on benefits.

    Why not use tax instead ?
    Wealthy people use tax shields often because there is always a loophole somewhere there as it only takes one sharp legal eagle mind to prise it out, Trust is one way of doing it with nominee account usually one or two names to avoid tax or reduce it or steer it away from owner.

    Taxes are sometimes, regressive especially for lower income families with no waiver at all just like household charge.

    Best way is to mean test them all to ensure fairer and equitable system if possible.

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    RTE now saying the planned cuts are to €100 for the first two children. Watch the mortgage arrears head to 35-40%. Mind you, that's one way around the Germans, Finns etc saying they won't deal with "historic" bank debts. Let's hand them some brand new problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    RTE now saying the planned cuts are to €100 for the first two children. Watch the mortgage arrears head to 35-40%. Mind you, that's one way around the Germans, Finns etc saying they won't deal with "historic" bank debts. Let's hand them some brand new problems.
    There is no doubt that for a lot of people, these payments are making the mortgage payable, or else the food bill.

    They don't have time to means-test - or the money. It's a straight cut.

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    And let's see if the Reilly story drops out of the news cycle while the people all concentrate on this "new" story.

    Regards...jmcc

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